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Will we ever see a poison nerf?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by budman23, Mar 13, 2013.

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  1. budman23

    budman23 Journeyman

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    Still dont understand why poisoning hasnt been nerfed yet.

    Why does having the poison skill give you some immunity to poison?
    Even when it was compltely imbalanced years ago this way they never went that far with it.

    Does it make sense that almost everyone has poison now?

    Is this the last pvp fight you had? Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike,Infectious strike?

    Comon and on top of that you can still be a pure sdi mage with poisoning?

    The overpoweredness of this skill does nothing to make pvp balanced.
     
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    I find its more, Disarm Infectious Strike, Moving Shot, Moving Shot, Disarm Infectious Strike, Moving Shot, Moving Shot, Disarm Infectious Strike, Moving Shot, Moving Shot, Disarm Infectious Strike, Moving Shot, Moving Shot.

    But hey its a fun template to play :facepalm:
     
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    call me crazy but i dont see this thread ending real well.
     
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    If I could like your post multiple times... I would.

    My guess as to why Poisoning hasn't been nerfed yet. is because melee Dexers can't compete without it. (it's unnecessarily harder to anyway....) but thats offensively...

    see my sig. below. Poisoning (poison immunity needs removed).
     
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    For PvMers that poison resist feature is nice. The monsters that cast poison spell after poison spell after poison spell after poison spell after poison spell get really tiresome. The 100 skill points for GM Poisoning were well worth it just to deal with that b.s.
     
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    Agreed the passive immunity should go. It's annoying at best but not exactly game changing.

    This pub already has a infection 10 sec (i think?) nerf in it. Not that it matters. Anytime i use it, it's cured with pots before the 2nd tick. Most of the time on the 1st tick.
     
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    Take up Resisting Spells, you'd gain an extreme amount of survivability compared to poisoning.... in pvm.
    If that's not enough, use orange petals.

    I've mentioned the free cure thing from Poisoning skill many times... it needs to go. *points* here.

    Sadly Poisoning, has been buffed up to be more difficult to cure MANY times before... the immunity is just another perk, on top of being harder to cure.

    Basically, anything that breaks one vs one or dueling should never have been implemented.

    IMO Casting Focus should be changed or removed as well, but I'm sure it won't happen (too many people would cry :sad3: ).



     
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    All this complaining about the immunity??? 100 skill points is the trade off to not carrying orange petals seems balanced to me. My biggest issue with poisoning is the disparity between how often a dexxer inflicts lethal to that of a mage. I think the mage level seems about right.
     
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    poisoning would be about perfect if it wasn't for the poison immunity, just my opinion. harder to cure is enough really..

    If they were hell bent on leaving it the way it is, i jsut wish they'd boost alchemy to say that if you were a GM alchemist, you wouldn't fail cure pots and ur pots were back to 1 stone.
     
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    Poisoning sucks and if you can't deal with it.. yeah.
     
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    Boy whee were you in the hay day of Dev changes.... they did nerf poison...
    And the screams were so loud to put it back the way it was were deafining..... It still is not back to full for players but monsters................ well I am so sick of the rapid fire poison spells .................. I cant get off spells that good! oh then they are imune to getting it back.................. what gives??
     
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    Huh?

    I dont know what shard you play but on atlantic I fight at yew gate all day long and have not seen any large % of poisoners as of late.

    And almost all of the poisoners are low-skilled players doing nothing other then disarm/poison/moving shot while hoping for a splinter bleed to have kicked in.

    Experienced pvpers dont die to that too often so I dont see any issues at all with it. If you are a mage you damn well should be running 50 pots so that you can just mash your cure key to effectively negate the 80-100 poison skill points.

    And if you are a warrior the disarm spam is more ridiculous and annoying then the poison.
    The whole sad template depends on disarm & connection speed. You attack me but you wont stay and fight unless your disarm spam kicks in? Lol at that.
    Good job at creating a template that promotes nobody staying on screen to fight 1 vs 1.

    The template quite simply does not kill anyone experienced but it occasionally allows the disarmer to trashtalk because you didnt stay onscreen after the rng rolled 3 straight disarms in his favor lol.
     
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    Yeah, ... considering all the crying I hear going on in this thread. Major shedding of tears or what.:rolleyes:
     
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    Everything is OP, Play templates that defend against it! There is a counter to every template out there.
     
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    DP doesn't need a nerf. I mean I can be a point and click dexxer and hit you with a few shatter pots then dp you over and over. The skill that it takes is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I tell you what needs nerfed.

    When you running in fel from a zerg and a stupid rat stops you like you hit a brick wall. Wow. I can run through everything( stam potions and divine firy) and I stop like somebody put super glue on my boots. A rat? Only a rat would stopped me where a zerg couldn't. Go figure lol. Not like I saw the darn thing while I was paying attention to the zerg, my health bar, zipping this way and else where, trees, housing, and NPC's.

    Poisoning? Never had much issue. With pots, and cure spells its just a touch of key to take care of.
     
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    Even worse. When your running through despise and can duck and dodge a pvper with 120 wep skill and 45hc but a slime will surely fizzle you.
     
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    there's a 'like' button but there is no 'dislike' button
    that is unfortunate, cause this realllllllllllllly needs a dislike.
     
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    I encourage people to tell me how it makes sense that since you can deadly poison people you should get some form of immunity from it.

    Please use any examples of how this is believable or better yet how its balanced LOL.
     
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    Poison immunity...I don't know. What's bothered me for the longest time is how ninjas get free poisons without skill. Shouldn't be able to do above lesser poison without poisoning skill.
     
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    Poison should get nerfed..
    I see alot of
    LOOP: evil omen poison
    if ! poison goto LOOP
    ....
    Or
    LOOP: disarm
    if ! disarm goto LOOP
    INF Strike, DS DS DS....

    pvp is very boring thise days...

    You fail way too often with cure pots.
     
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    Yes and no.

    This has always been one of the harder skills to gm and i hate for it to be totally negated by a backpack.

    When i poison someone they usually cure before the 2nd tick. That's what 12-14 damage for investing 80-100 points? Sounds reasonable to me. Maybe one in 50 times i actually land one that's hard to cure.


    Not sure what you mean by this? The only thing i can think of is the use of DP stars which was changed some time ago to require poisoning.
     
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    Mithridatism

    Not saying poisoning skill doesn't need balancing, but you did ask. :)

    Makes a little sense that someone dealing in poisons might make take steps to make themselves immune to it to avoid accidents (and "accidents")
     
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    If one has mastered the art of poisoning as an offensive skill it would make sense that they have taken steps to defend against it as well. Why does someone with 120 swordsmanship get a higher defense chance against my mace than someone with no weapon skill? For 100 skill points poisoning should have both an offensive and defensive element just like any weapon skill.
     
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    You do realize that when your only real defense of an ingame issue is lack of reality or "believability" you are the one not making sense right?
    And it quite obviously is balanced by the ability to machine gun chug cure pots.

    Do you want me to point out 500 other examples of lack of reality or believability ingame? We could start with rezzing your dead corpse and go from there maybe?
    Or maybe we can examine how a mage with a spellbook in one hand and a shield in the other is able to stun punch and/or disarm a warrior holding his weapon with 2 hands?

    Dp,even on on experienced warrior,is nothing more then a minor annoyance. It should not be the main cause of death to any other pvp template.
     
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    I believe that someone who has trained how to use poison SHOULD have some resistance to it. I mean come on, how much poison did you have to handle to master your skill? It is like anything else in life, bacteria builds resistance to antibiotics, humans build resistances to many diseases after having them just once (chicken-pox for example).

    Get over it.

    Chances are though you probably play (or played) a poison template at one point but just weren't that good at it so now you want everyone else to suffer.
     
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    I just bought 90 poisoning from Mythic on the strength of this thread. Going to re-work my very bad pk to fit it in.
     
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    Then maybe they should adjust poisoning to give you a "resistance" in poison resist instead of this immunity garbage...

    Poisoning skill: now increases passive poison resistance to 60 at 100.0 skill. (+12 poison resist every 20.0 skill points) Poison immunity has been removed.
    make it happen.
     
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    They still wouldnt be immune to it.

    Even if your body built up a resistance to something it doesnt make you immune to it.

    Its pretty obvious who plays the yew gate 2 button warriors by the amount of OH ITS SPOT ON BS lol.

    By the utter stupidity of the thought of these players we should have mages immune to poison and spells hell they are 120 mage with 120 resists they should be masters of their craft right?

    Its not just stupid, it diminishes this game as a whole so these kind of idiots can say they pvp.

    Its kind of like throwers telling me how great they are, its not only funny, its funny they believe it.
     
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  30. Cetric

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    i think its hilarious when ur flying on a gargoyle and that happens... like.. you were in the air... did it scare you?
     
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    it has been nerfed
    over
    and over
    and over
    every patch seems something is done to it.
    if you dont like it and cant deal with, who cares?

    constant nerfing, heck before the dbld the weights of cure pots you didnt see people complaining about it did ya?
    post something worth nerfing, cause it sure aint poisoning.
     
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    I have to ask, how exactly is a poisoner 'immune' to poison? They can still be poisoned, it still does damage. Sure, it wears off faster, but it's no different than using an orange petal to resist the effects. Honestly I believe it's fine as is.
     
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    how about we nerf everything.

    just nerf it all.

    so tired of some people.
     
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    :facepalm:
    where you been the last 15 years?
     
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    Screenshots or didn't happen. unless you mean, before a "nerf" it has to be buffed first. because poison has been made hard to cure, then reduced back down to be easy to cure Many times before.

    2. Poisoning Skill: provides the same passive immunity chances, but make it only at 80.0 and higher poisoning.

    It's not that its over powered it's that it adds RNG to Mage dueling... the only pvp that (at one point) didn't have RNG so much of it... Other than your actual chance to resist poison.
    That is why I don't like it. I could careless about field fighting.

    Field Fighting: if its 1v1 it's almost always too easy, and 99% of the time you won't fight anyone by themselves.
     
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    I agree, 100%, But...Very simple solution.

    Add a 6-8 second global cool-down on Cure Potions. Then Poisoning would immediately be good!.. This is something that people need to "adapt" too, not much RNG involved either.
     
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    1) There are alot more 1 vs 1 fights to be had at the yew gate every night then you seem to realize

    2) Don't like the rng that poison brings to a mage duel? Agree to not poison and duel your brains out for hours. Its a pretty simple concept. I wonder how many people could actually adapt and change their cycles though.
    Everybody could also wear cf suits and then you could duel for like 2 weeks straight.
     
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    Uh oh

    The elephant is in the room lol

    Somebody has template superiority complex. TSC is a terrible mage only disease that almost always leads to multiple deaths within 45 seconds.

    It must be tough to have set 50 macros that you dont know how to use and then die to a little poison or a soul glaive all day long :(
    Especially after you and your guildmate practiced mage duelling for so long in your house.

    The nerve of those "utterly stupid idiots trying to say they pvp while diminishing the game"
     
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    This is starting to get personal again. PvP in game, not on the boards please?

    How about a little light logic? If poisoning ability allows you to bump the poison you apply - from greater to deadly, deadly to lethal, should it grant you the resistance to cause it to work in reverse when applied to you? lethal to deadly, deadly to greater?
     
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    :facepalm:

    Simple solution to not liking other people having the poison defense. Do what *we* did, dedicate 100 of your 720 skill points to the Poisoning skill and you'll have the *same* defense. Of course, it does mean giving up something else to have the 100 points free, but we did it, so can you! :)
     
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    i actually think thats a really solid, good concept. Makes sense... takes the rng out of the equation...

    nice job Petra!
     
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    This solution makes sense, so we will probably never see it in game.
     
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    The problem I see here is that it would then stack with the effect of petals... which would make the resistance with poisoning even MORE resistant that it is now... right now DP and Lethal poison break the resistance. In your suggestion only when someone with poisoning got hit with Lethal poison would it not get resisted when combined with a petal.
     
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    How often is a fight between two characters both having GM poisoning?
     
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    I can explain real fast why they have immunity.

    Because in the thousands of time they apply poison to food(RIP) or weapons, they poison themselves.
    So over a long expansive career of being exposed to poison they work up a mild resistance.

    Side note: I'm not sure many or the devs thought about how some of the changes that came with poisoning
    actually hurt in some cases. Having bandages remove poison and heal less has cause many
    deaths.
     
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    The fact i can have 120 mage and any amount of poisoning below 80 and will succeed 0% of the time poisoning someone with gm poison or 120 mage and 80 poison is dumb.

    The skill does not need to give the user immunity, not all mages should have to run around with 80 or gm poison so the spell works.
    Being a 120 mage and the spell being completly nullified is dumb.

    As if being able to spam poison on your opponent isnt enough, they have to not be able to be poisoned ever?

    Please tell me a competent mage that agrees with this?
    Of course the dexxers dont care if you destroy mage dueling, they could care less of anything but holding an advantage over another.

    This seems blatantly stupid, to say someone cant get poisoned because they worked with it, o yea thats possible, im sure the last guy who thought
    that in irl died of poisoning.
     
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    ^^ this

    I must have poisoned myself a million times getting it to GM
     
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    Now days I think it happens quite often.
     
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    Maybe you should try to mage duel without leaning on your poison cycle?

    Or is that too mind blowing?

    If your opponent decides to run pure defense oh well. You can duel for weeks on end.

    Or you can yell at the devs to nerf a valid and extremely hard to gain warrior skill just so your mage duels can be more predictable and end sooner with poison spam

    Hrmmmm
     
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    Someone commenting on mage dueling and saying poisoning isnt important just shows you dont know how to play a mage ...at all.

    Perhaps when i asked for a competent mage to comment i asked for too much.
     
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