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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Violence, Apr 4, 2010.

  1. Violence

    Violence Lore Keeper
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    I am considering making a return, though by now my house must have fallen and all my equipment and... treasures, must be gone.

    This wouldn't be a problem, yet I'd like to ask how much gold it would take to get a single character from ground up items-wise.. And by "Up" I mean acquiring top-notch gear; Replicas, artifacts, POF for my items, item dyes and whatnot. So go wild in your estimations if you will! I have no idea if my old suit would cut it any more with all the new stuff not to mention I could replace important parts.

    Mind, I don't really need a house or anything else.. Just equipment for that one character I enjoyed(as enjoyable as it could get before I left either way) most playing as and insurance money.

    It's a PVP Ninja/Poisons/Fighting Skill template so if it helps narrow things down I'll be needing melee gear. If you're feeling talkative do share your opinions on which particular items you'd get for such a character.

    I also have absolutely no clue as to the state of the game although I had purchased the SA expansion so any tips there would help.. Mostly I would appreciate an update about the current state of PVP.

    Well that's all. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Stupid Miner

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    ... Depends on how top-notch you mean. And how much are you buying instead of obtaining?

    Decent estimate for top-notch would be 100 mil. Could spend more or less if you like, anything over 20 mil is due to a few expensive artifacts.

    Granted if you want REALLY top notch, plenty of ways to spend even more if you want.
     
  3. SchezwanBeefy

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    I wouldn't even say 100 mil. Maybe 50 mil. If you are in a good guild or join a good guild, they will probably help suit you temporarily until you can get the pieces, ingredients and everything else together.
     
  4. Violence

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    How interesting! I was expecting much larger sums.

    Friends and guilds you say?.. Well it seems I'm mostly on my own this time though I'll get connected fast, always do, yet I don't want to depend on others' help since I can avoid it. That's the point as well. I want to jump right into the heat, die a few thousand times being *NiNjA* and kill some time. Only I want to do it dressed properly if I may put it that way. ;D

    So define "Plenty of ways to spend more than that" since I REALLY want top-notch gear.. ^^ Any items one MUST have these days?

    Forgot to ask.. How's imbuing? Is anyone actually running with imbued gear in PVP? What are the prices compared to normal items and how hard is it to obtain imbuing resources? Do the items last long enough if you're into Factions and generally intense PVP? Most importantly how easy is it to replace imbued gear if I won't be bothering with crafting my own items? I assume eventually the need to constantly buy new things isn't so appealing to the masses even if they last 1-2 weeks for sure..
     
  5. longshanks

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    hope u come back.

    imbuing is something you will need to embrace. think about every piece of jewelry you ever looted off any monster in the game. well you can throw them away. small exceptions being the orny and djinni's ring maybe a few others. imbuing basically allows you to craft jewelry with 5 mods all of which will be helpful to your template. say for your ninja temp, you could make a ring like this: 25 ep 13 hci 10 dci +15 ninjitsu,5 lmc. looks good right?

    the good thing is that you can do the mini spawns in the abyss that will drop the ingredients necessary to craft such an item, aside from the relic fragments. however you could sell your excess essence drops to buy those too.

    so your answer is yes, imbuing factors into pvp. you can fort powder armor pieces upto 255 before imbuing so they will last quite a bit longer than two weeks. read up on the skill and all it has to offer.
     
  6. Violence

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    No problems embracing it, albeit through my gold. My issue is that I simply don't have -and will not make for personal reasons- the time nor appetite to either farm or craft in UO any more, hence my questions regarding prices and ease of obtaining exact copies of what I lose, meaning whole suits along with 3-4 weapons, all top grade, constantly.

    Those questions are very important. So far, the mere fact I will eventually need to replace items(more so now that even rings have DUR as I learned) seems costlier in the long run than building a traditional suit could be.

    Having precisely what I need is enticing admittedly but 10+ years without imbuing never troubled me either in mix-matching traditional suits so I guess it's a matter of money value first. Would you say that two practically similar top-grade items, one traditional and one imbued would cost the same or not? Or to put it a bit differently, you could think of it in terms of completed armour and weapon sets. This may help you answer..

    I expect the gear will go through a lot of punishment, fast, hence my question about its survivability and ease of replacement. I simply want to enjoy the game, and since my income allows it I'm going to use it shamelessly. ;P

    Finally I currently I have no loot of any kind, my house dropped as mentioned. :) So nothing to sell either. Not to mention I used to be involved in player trading and I can't exactly say I was enjoying the interaction.
     
  7. Llewen

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    If you want to make top notch suit you can buy everything you need without too many difficulties. For imbued pieces just hire an artificer and get them to make the pieces you want. I make pieces for others that way, the only difficult thing is getting them to understand what is possible with imbuing, and what is not.

    To build a good suit what you want to do is pull together all your arties and leave maybe four slots, including at least one jewelry position, for imbued pieces. The reason for this is that imbuing lets you "finish" your suit with relative ease, but you need to leave room to spread some things out, such as resists, between two or three pieces.

    Basically what you do is pull together all your arties, then figure out what mods and resists you need to finish off your suit, and get someone to create pieces with those mods.
     
  8. Kaleb

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    With Faction gear + imbuing Its really easy to get suited now days. really no reason to not have the right suit, Most pvpers are in factions these days for the easy arties, that make normal arties look pathetic. you best bet is to start working on a character with the imbuing skill, after that the sky is the limit on gear.
     
  9. Tina Small

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    SickLover, if you still have characters capable of doing PvM at a fairly high level, doing as Llewen suggested and hiring an artificer you trust is probably the fastest way to get where you want to be. You can save yourself gold and time by being involved in gathering the resources that will be required to imbue max-value mods or mods that always require the high-end imbuing resources. If you happen to have a blacksmith character (doesn't have to be legendary, GM will do) and a GM miner, you might also want to consider getting started with doing BODs to collect PoF. The BODs that give PoF seem to be spawning more frequently than in the past. You might also get lucky and get some runic hammers or ASH from doing BODs that you could turn over, along with appropriate high-end ingots and mining gems, to a trusted blacksmith who knows the recipes to craft items that can be unravelled for relics.

    Even if you don't want to make your own artificer, you should probably do some reading in the Crafters Forum regarding the finer details of imbuing to educate yourself on the possibilities and the requirements. Also, if you are going to go the route of hunting for ingredients, consider the possibility of at least starting your own artificer. You can get Imbuing skill up to the 70s just from unraveling things and never drop a single gold piece for training materials if you are willing to drag home bags of loot for a few weeks and spend an hour or less per day unravelling it. Once your artificer is in the 70s or so with Imbuing, you can begin making yourself very cheap suits for training purposes if you find yourself needing something like that. Then just take your time with completing the character if you decide you'd rather do your own high-end imbuing in the future instead of handing it off to someone else to do for you.

    Also, a final note, SA included a few craftable items that a smith or a tailor can make for skill training that have considerably reduced the amount of resources AND time that it takes to raise smithing and tailoring to the 120 level. If you know what to make (e.g., boomerangs for a smith and gargish cloth kilts and leggings for a tailor), you can cheaply and easily finish those skills if you have been dragging your heels on doing so in the past.
     
  10. Lord Chaos

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    As far as I've read, you can't POF imbued items. Which leaves only rings and bracelets as viable choices if he wants gear he can POF.

    Getting POFs through BODs is going to take ages, even with turn-ins. Did it for many years with over 15 crafters and still only got relatively few POFs all things considering.
     
  11. Kaleb

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    Fyi. You POF prior to Imbuing.
     
  12. Mapper

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    Indeed, With 255 durability and repairs you're imbued suit will last you months and months.
     
  13. Violence

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    Very encouraging all this, I should start looking for an imbuer and discuss a fixed price for a set of items then, given I'll always be buying the same things.

    Thanks for the advice. Indeed I will first put together a few basic pieces like Faction items and go from there.

    How are Gargs in PVP? Or is everyone still using Human characters?
    And to that extent how good is that new Throwing skill? How is it best used?
     
  14. Llewen

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    Not many use gargs in pvp right now because there are a lot of disadvantages, and not enough advantages, but that is about to change. The upcoming publish should do a lot to make gargs much more viable in pvp.
     
  15. popps

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    If you want a faster head start, another way could be buying 2 or 3 transfer tokens and selling them in game (average selling price about 20 millions gold each, sometimes more).

    Why transfer tokens ? Because they usually sell faster...

    That way you get a good amount of gold to get you going in a shorter time span.

    Good luck, hope to see you back.
     
  16. Llewen

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    Yikes, be careful what you accept as gospel truth on these forums S!ck. You can't pof anything after it is imbued, including jewelry. However jewelry when you imbue it is automatically granted 255 durability, while other pieces you want to imbue you have to use pof on them before you imbue them.

    But anything you can imbue, with a few exceptions, you'll be able to make again, and an item that has 255 durability, even though you can't use pof on it, will last a very long time.
     
  17. Llewen

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    Totally off topic, but S!ck your name makes me think of this song... For some reason...
     
  18. Violence

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    If I could change it I'd instantly turn it into "Violence", but the tune is quite cute. I'm more into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJEfC2yGqE kind of stuff though.. That one particularly is something I can't get out of my head lately.
     
  19. Llewen

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    Actually I could tell from your avatar that it wouldn't be quite your style. That Metric album reminds me of The Breeders, cute fun summer music. I used to be quite into industrial and goth - and I enjoyed that Soman piece, and before that 60's and 70's prog rock. But I enjoy all kinds of music as long there's an active mind and some honesty behind it somewhere - something other than someone trying to sell you something.