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Working on the EC will be a duoble edged sword

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mervyn, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Mervyn

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    After the High Seas is released, the devs are going to be working on the EC, however this is going to be a double edged sword. The EC offers a couple of distinct advantages over CC for pvp, however most players prefer to play the CC and will be forced to play EC in order to compete.

    Here's what needs to be done, and these changes need to take priority in the development of the EC:

    1, disable the use of auto-navigate in fel ruleset (also maybe look at changing the turning movement in EC to reflect the speed on CC)

    2, Either Ban the lucis targeting interface in fel or somehow develop it to work with CC

    3, adjust the speed at which you can get dressed/arm shield + weap to match that of CC.

    This way those who prefer the graphics and UI of EC can continue to play it and the majority of players who prefer CC can play fairly against those on EC.

    Regards Mervyn

    ps excuse the typo
     
  2. kelmo

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    Really? Nerf EC?
     
  3. Storm

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    rofl you have to be kidding
     
  4. Hmm. Why not just turn on EC?
     
  5. VorteXPete

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    Yes,please nerf the EC some more since there is no cheat programs that work with 2d!
     
  6. MalagAste

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    Just give up the old and get with the new.

    Seriously.

    No way they should take a step backwards.
     
  7. Babble

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    Nah, just get some decent graphics for the EC.
    :)
     
  8. Storm

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    I dont know why this keeps coming up!!
    But lets be clear here The CC is great i love it but it is very old in game terms and is at the limit of what can be done ! this is not just me saying this the devs have also said it!

    The cc is whats holding the EC back and the game for that matter!

    if we could just get the graphics option added I am sure most people would be using it !
     
  9. Storm

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    Come to the dark side :)
     
  10. Babble

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    Is that going blind from the EC graphics?
    :p
     
  11. Storm

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    rofl Touche

    That is the one thing I wish we had a option for different types so everyone would be happy it seems to be the #1 complaint
     
  12. TheMac

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    I have tried a few times to play with the EC and i just cant do it. :( I want to switch but i just cant lol. Been playing the classic for way to long I guess.
     
  13. Storm

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    I was the same way TheMac took me about 3 months to completely convert
    I started by making myself play it a hour a day then it was two etc
    now I have tried to play in cc and its the reverse now
     
  14. kelmo

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    I too decided to play it, I did have to "make myself" get over some of the graphics. Once I got used to them, they no longer bothered me. Took a while for some of them, I admit.
     
  15. Martyna Zmuir

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    You mean more steps backward, right? The EC is multiple steps backwards from KR.
     
  16. Mervyn

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    I personally don't have a preference on what graphics i play with, lots of people are saying no to nerfing the EC, but there is no alternative if you can't add the advantages of EC to CC, lots of people saying to just switch, but the majority of uo players prefer strongly the CC graphics. The only solution is to bring the EC down to a CC playing field.
     
  17. hawkeye_pike

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    In this sentence there are many wrong asumptions:

    "After the High Seas is released, the devs are going to be working on the EC"
    We certainly hope that, but I have heard nothing that would justify this statement.

    "The EC offers a couple of distinct advantages over CC for pvp"
    This is simply not true. I have PvPed with both clients, and the client you are used to is the one you handle better. YOU CANNOT RUN FASTER WITH THE EC, and I don't see how dressing faster should be an advantage in PvP. You can't equip/switch weapons faster than in the CC.

    "most players prefer to play the CC"
    You may be wrong about that. Almost every new or returning player sticks to the EC. Only a couple of old-timers who are afraid of change or have a 10 year old computer stick to the CC (I'm a little exaggerating here).

    "most players [...] will be forced to play EC in order to compete."
    Wrong. See above.
     
  18. Merion

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    Nerfing a client? Because he is better than 13 year old client? Because he is ENHANCED?

    Seriously, this is the dumbest thing I've read in a loooong time! And this is UHall we're talking about.
     
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    What about leveling the playing field between those who use UOA and those who don't? Afterall, UOA doesn't work with the EC and some CC players won't buy UOA either.

    I think the best option is to improve the graphics of the EC instead.
     
  20. Storm

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    Was stated they had no plans to abandon the cc at this time so no worries!
     
  21. Mervyn

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    Creating a client with graphics that most people don't like and making it better to pvp with. If you notice i said to nerf it in a fel environment which probably wouldn't affect people like you.
     
  22. kelmo

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    How would it affect me? I am certainly not the most effective of PvPers on Siege, but the Fel environment is all I have.
     
  23. Mervyn

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    It would make you the same level as a CC user, no better, no worse.
     
  24. kulder

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    Whats wrong with the Lucis targeting system it works fine for me,I never have a problem pulling a healthbar with it
     
  25. Merion

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    I am offended by this post! First of all, I liked the KR graphics and the EC graphics are step back to atone to whiners like you. Second of all, I pvp with the new clients since the early KR beta, been pvping with the EC as soon as it was possible to log onto production shards. And for a long time it was actually a disadvantage using it.

    I gently point you in this direction: ORIGIN - Ultima Online - Community to prove my PvP prowess.
     
  26. Storm

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    I also use lucis and copper and work ok for me
     
  27. kelmo

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    I am mod challenged... I just use EC strait up.
     
  28. Storm

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    icons are way to bright for me in default
     
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    Yeah, I use the lucis interface, i think it should be banned in fel cos the mobile targeting is OP, and people on classic client cannot use it.
     
  31. TheMac

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    I think im going to try to "force" myself.
     
  32. If it is really that overpowering, then switch to the EC. Anyone CAN use it, and it is FREE, and the Lucis mod is FREE. There... now everyone is on an equal footing.

    Unless of course, you've been a naughty boy with the CC.
     
  33. [JD]

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    rofl people made fun of me for using EC in pvp. one COMtard asked me if it had "pretty colors".

    now you want to nerf it. let me just say LOOOOOOOOOOL

    i have a better idea. upgrade to a half decent computer and start running the ec. problem solved. and if you dont like the graphics of the EC, just mentally replace everything with stick figures so you can feel like you're in the CC again.

    :gun::stir::gun::stir:
     
  34. Mervyn

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    1, i will switch to EC
    2 most other players use CC cos they prefer the graphics and it's unfair to them
    3 the EC is currently in beta and i play a mage and there are a ton of issues affecting mage pvp at the moment (although i'm sure they're on the to do list)
     
  35. Babble

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    They should keep working at it.
    If it gets really good people will change.

    And pvpers will always use the best client for them. Don't worry about them.
     
  36. Dermott of LS

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    1, disable the use of auto-navigate in fel ruleset (also maybe look at changing the turning movement in EC to reflect the speed on CC)

    2, Either Ban the lucis targeting interface in fel or somehow develop it to work with CC

    3, adjust the speed at which you can get dressed/arm shield + weap to match that of CC.


    No.
     
  37. Lord Chaos

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    No, quit giving people advantages over others merely based on client preference.

    They should be equal.
     
  38. Lord Chaos

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    Why should we be forced to play a client we don't like?

    Might as well quit, which is of course what UO needs, more quitting players.

    You could say the same thing about cheat programs, they're free and anyone can use them.
     
  39. kelmo

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    *smiles* Play your game... No one is forcing you to do anything. Stay where you are at. God Bless you CC players. EA has stated they will support CC until your comps die... *bites tongue*

    There are few Devs. The old code is muddled at best. CC players are going to get to play. That is the promise. CC gets to play. Do not expect much more than that.

    Time will go on. Better machines. Better code. Just be glad we are tolerant of you CC players. I am tolerant. I will never want to lose any of you.

    Just don't hold us back.
     
  40. Dermott of LS

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    And HEEEERRREEE we go...
     
  41. MalagAste

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    NO one is forcing anyone to switch.

    And the EC should not be held back because folk refuse to switch.

    If you want to play an old outdated client then you need to learn to deal with the consequences of that decision... if that means you don't get any of the "fancy" new stuff then so be it.

    Punishing the EC users because you don't like the way it looks isn't fair either.

    And if you think it's such a huge advantage and you refuse to use it that's your tough cookies.

    I've PvPed with both and quite frankly I'll say this the EC does have certain benefits but it's not gamebreaking.... and besides it's open to everyone and your free to use it too.

    Calling for a nerf because you don't want to use it is just silly. That would be like saying that everyone should be forced to have a post office box at the post office that they have to pay a fee for when everyone is free to have a mailbox at their house that the post office will actually deliver mail to your door for free because you choose to pay the fee for a post office box instead of putting up an ugly mailbox in front of your house.
     
  42. TheMac

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    Is there a EC for dummies?
     
  43. Dermott of LS

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    Just don't hold us back.

    I'll go one better Kelmo...

    STOP holding us back.

    The EC has already been downgraded enough as it is in an attempt to compromise with the uncompromisable.

    If there needs to be a downgraded version of the EC, that's fine, but it never should have been done at the full expense of the upgrades that were already present.

    It's called ENHANCED for a reason.
     
  44. Merion

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    What he said!
     
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  46. LOL... I thought it was funny! :lol:
     
  47. Lord Chaos

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    Of course we're being forced when you have an unfair advantage over us.

    Until we run out of tollerance for game we pay to.

    I have a much much better machine than you do. I can play any game currently in existance at max settings flawlessly and fluently.

    But I like UO, its the game I fell in love with. The EC is like a man saying he loves his wife, but he forces her to take botox, breast implants, plastic surgery and more, and then he loves her even more.

    I don't really care whether you're tolerant or not, we do not exist at your sufference. Its more us who will eventually lose tolerance with UO and the development and then you'll see huge amounts of players quit.
     
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    There's a learning curve, to be sure. I'll give you a start.

    Hotbars

    First step is to learn how to manipulate the hotbars. The client starts you off with one hotbar, which has the f-keys assigned. Right-click the hotbar to create new ones. You can also extend or contract your hotbars by clicking and dragging one of the corners.

    To assign keys to hotbars, right-click the hotbar box and choose "assign hotkey".

    Macros

    The easiest way to create macros is to open your skills, spellbooks, etc. and drag the icons onto hotbars. Next, right-click the hotbar box and assign a hotkey.

    You can also access a more advanced "macros" GUI through you main menu.

    Lucis Interface

    I couldn't get into the EC until I found the Lucis Interface. Look in this thread for more info: http://vboards.stratics.com/uo-enha...ssion/218995-lucis-interface-1-0-out-now.html
     
  49. AesSedai

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    ...

    The 'enhanced' client has been numbed down before KR launched and before the EC made its debut; I have no doubts that its potential evolution has been limited by the need to keep the CC valid; and I have no doubts that the EC will continue to be limited in its potential by the desire of players to continue with CC (yet if you want to play CC then play it for it will be here for you to play as long as you feel the need to play it).

    I do hope they can have a graphics toggle that inherits CC graphics (even if it looks terrible when magnified) and UO can get back to finishing what they were doing when they had the graphics at KR's level.
    - Add Toggle Switch - then let people complain due to preferring an interface that is more difficult to operate, if they like. Add Gumps and all that in the CC GRAPHICS toggle in the enhanced client version non-beta... Please; for then we might be able to evolve the enhanced features with less outcries that the past client is unfairly neglected (which is ironically why we have needed a new client.. for the classic client cannot be updated as simply and easily as the new one can).
     
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