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WOW ! The Boat BUG has not yet been fixed ??

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Jun 16, 2011.

  1. popps

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    Wow, I was just hit again by the BOAT BUG, the one where the rune looses track of the location of the ship and remarks itself as "user unknown" and ship "dry docked"......

    Luckily, I still remembered the last location of my ship and so went there with another ship and remarked the rune.

    But I am astonished. I mean, this bug has been first reported by many weeks now and I thought it had been fixed. Apparently, since I was just hit by it, it has not........
     
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    When did you last dry dock your boat?
     
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  4. Weve been ALL over this in several threads.....it doesnt matter.....it DONT fix the issue, unless you mean when was the last time you dry docked the boat and NEVER intend to use it again!!!!
    Grrrrrrrrrrr:cursing::thumbdown::cursing:
     
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    yes, I've seen it, and the answer to my question is usually 'it hasn't been dry docked because there are quests/fish stock/etc in the hold. Phoenix has said you MUST dry dock the ship to fix the problem.

    I'd be fascinated to know what causes it, because apart from one incident the first time this broken rune bug hit, it hasn't affected either of my fishermen.
     
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    once you dry dock it is fixed!
     
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    Many weeks ago, at the time when there was that other ship bug, the one where the fish monger could not see the ship and thus one could not deliver the orders.

    in order to fix that other bug i had to get another ship, complete the orders I had and refuse any new, empty the hold, dry dock it and put it at sea again. I know, it was a pain.......

    Anyways, I did it and since then the fish monger bug has not hit me again.

    I have been hit though several times by the ship rune bug which I have always resolved as I usually keep track of the last location of my ship so when the bug hits me as it did today, I go there with another ship and remark the rune.

    Nonetheless, I was much surprised to see that this BUG has not yet been taken care of.

    I use my hold for fishing and so it is full of stuff, all of the 16,000 stones...... Emptying it is a pain and so I am VERY reluctant to do it. I know, I could never play a fisherman on Siege Perilous.......
     
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    The bug I am referring to, is NOT the one which requires dry docking which is the bug where the fish monger does not see the boat for orders delivery.

    The Bug I am referring to is a different one where the rune looses the location of the ship and remarks itseld as user unknown and ship dry docked (which it is not.....).

    If I remember where the ship last was, I can get there on another ship, remark the rune while onboard and the rune works again and keeps working for weeks....
    Then, apparently with no cause, it gets bugged again like it happened today to me.

    This same ship had this same bug happen to it but it was several weeks ago. I remarked the rune as I did today and I have been able to recall using the remarked rune for several weeks without a problem and without dry docking the ship.........
    Until today, that is........


    I have no clue what causes it. I did nothing different than what I do usually. For weeks it has been working and then today, all of a sudden, the rune could no longer locate the ship.......
     
  9. Faeryl

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    Actually, drydocking the ship then redeploying it should (if I recall correctly) give you a new set of runes, hence fixing the bug.
     
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    For good or for a limited time, i.e. until it happens again ??

    I am asking, because I was hit by this same bug several weeks ago (perhaps 3 or 4), I did NOT dry dock the ship, but simply went there with another ship, boarded it and remarked the rune while onboard.

    This remarked rune kept me going without problems (i.e. recall off of it just fine...) for weeks until today when I was hit by it again.

    That is why I am asking whether dry docking the ship fixes the problem for good, or only for a limited time until the bug strikes again.......

    Because that is what happened to me. I did NOT dry dock the ship, I remarked it while onboard and it DID work for several weeks but, I just found out today, it did not last as I was hit again by the bug.

    I am worried that going through the hassle of dry docking the ship which means having to empty 16,000 stones of a hold, might as well not be a permanent fix but only a temporary one until I get hit by it again a few weeks down the road......

    Should this be the case, then I'd rather remark my rune without having to empty the hold to dry dock the ship and keep going a few weeks before I get hit again....

    Of course, "IF" dry docking would fix FOR GOOD the problem, I would then seriously consider the dry docking to leave this annoying bug behind me. But I need to know whether dry docking means NEVER AGAIN seeing this bug......

    I do not want to go through the hassle of emptying the hold again just to be hit by the bug again in some time........
     
  11. Kiminality

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    Popps...

    Dry dock your ship.

    The developer says "Dry dock your ship, and the bug should be fixed".

    If you dry dock your ship, and the bug persists, then you can complain about the bug not being fixed.
    Not performing the steps to potentially fix the problem, then complaining that the problem isn't fixed is just... Very "you"...
     
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    What do we have these Forums for then ??

    I think a question comes spontaneous at this point, then.......

    Has anyone so far who DRY DOCKED their ship been hit by this rune bug again ?

    If noone has been hit by this particular bug again in a good time, like since the fix was announced, then I would assume the fix is "for good" thus meritable of the annoyance of emptying the hold and dry docking the ship, but "if" any player who did dry dock their ship has been hit by this bug again, well, then I do not think dry docking it is worth the hassle, I'd rather keep track of where my ship is at all times and just go there with another ship when this happens to remark the rune......
     
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    commodity deeds !
     
  15. *dusts popcorn crumbs*
    that's a plan ... simple direct and doable ...

    Carry on!

    :next:
     
  16. Kiminality

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    Step one: Finish or cancel all your fisher quests.
    Step two: The Dockmaster.
    Step three: Dry dock boat.
    Step four: Place boat again.
    Step five: The Dockmaster

    Apparently some have had the bug crop up again, and some haven't.
    If you want to continue to not do the fix the developers gave, then that's your prerogative.
    But, reporting the bug as not fixed, when you have intentionally not performed the process to potentially fix it is wrong.
     
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    Well, if some players have had the BUG show up again, AFTER the fix was released AND that they followed the instructions and dry docked their ships, this hints me that the problem was not fixed for good.......

    I mean, remarking the rune I ALSO get the bug show up again after some time but at least, I did not get through the hassle of having to empty the hold, dry dock the ship, put it in water again and refill the hold again.......

    My hassle is to reach the ship with another boat and remark the rune.

    Sure, I would LOVE to forget about this bug and leave it behind my back for good, but if other players reported that they did what instructed and yet they get this bug come back, well, then I do not see the point in dry docking the ship.......

    Also, IMMO a fix is a fix which means, the bug won't come back.

    If there are players who DID what instructed and yet after time they get hit by the bug again well, then this means to me that the bug was not fixed. A fix is for good, as I see it, not just temporarily.......
     
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    I love docking my boat ...


    errr um i mean






    :danceb:
     
  19. Kiminality

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    And what if the fix does work, and is permanent?
    You're just here to make waves.

    It's not hard to try it, using the steps I outlined above.
    Try it.
    Really.
    If it doesn't stick, then you can come here and be all "Excuse me ? Uhu ? Still not fixed !"
    If it does stick, then you don't even have to come back here and admit what a muppet you're being over this. You can just throw yourself behind fostering "discussion" on another non-issue, and the circle of life will go on.
     
  20. Bethany_lg

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    I just had to track my ship down, and I placed it in the water 2 nights ago after the last round. What was that a week or two ago when we all needed to dry dock?

    That time I had to get gm assistance to find it...he told me to dry dock it. i did...parked it right off the shore couple nights ago so i could find it if the problem came back.

    So yes, someone who has dry docked since we were told to has been hit by it again. It's an orc ship, if that matters, who knows? I just marked a rune on it and it still says fel, but it's in tram. Don't know if that matters either.

    Left it sitting outside minoc, maybe I'll be able to sail it again someday.
     
  21. Dry docked mine FOUR times now!
    Not only did it not fix it, but rune went bye bye as well.
    GM said to log mage and mark one, then one of the reps states on stratics that a rune marked that way will NOT work the next day after maintenance, that after dry docking it the rune "given" from doing said action will work!
    Didnt get one of those after any of the dry docking actions, either.
     
  22. Sorry, but no, thats not correct.
    4 times, and counting.......
     
  23. Nope.
    Bugged rune I had went poof, and didnt get another after any dry docking action, except for the one I pulled from a rune book that had been used for an IDOC and marked over it while on the boat.
    Was told that rune would be useless after next day maintenance.
    Boat sits in water next to my house, useless!!!
     
  24. Yuuuuuuppppp!!!
     
  25. hehe
    Step six: be prepared to repeat.
     
  26. Im feelin your pain!!
     
  27. Miri of Sonoma

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    Dry docking and remarking does seem to work for a while but I am right now in the process of trying to find my ship again (sadly I believed it was fixed and stopped recording the coordinates *frowns*). It was fine yesterday and today the runes are broken.

    So it isn't a permanent fix to dry dock the boat and remark runes. Maybe that patch has messed something up again?
     
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    They have thier heads stuck in the sand or whereever where this problem is concerned. Don't expect it to be fixed.

    Likely when it updates boat name changes on the runes each day, something involved in the process in certain circumstances is screwing things up. Normally, under common play, that something isn't involved and things work fine. When it's involved, the problem happens.

    Perhaps it is how many fish mongers you visited the day before trips up the rune update, maybe it was because the paint fade effect also happened the day you placed a pirate pole for the second time on your ship that day. Only the Dev's taking the time to try all the possibilities, or enough info on the problem from players will guide the Devs to the cause of the runes going bad. Keep posting about it with all the info you can recall on things you did that day involving the ship.

    The Trolls that want to sound off that there is no problem will just have to be put up with. We stop sounding off about problems, and they will never be fixed. The drydock fix fixed the problem for most people, there is still something wrong, no matter how hard the Trolls claim that it's all fixed.
     
  29. Miri of Sonoma

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    I agree there is still something wrong. My orc ship runes also broke again tonight. Fortunately I do not use it for fishing so it was moored at a house. The first lost ship was recovered with the help of GM Alkemai (and thank you very much *smiles*)

    So I will dry dock them again and make new runes again but I am still going to have to keep track of both my ships' whereabouts until they fix it for good!
     
  30. Kiminality

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    Pretty sure no one's saying there isn't a problem.
    The way I see it, people fall into four groups:
    1.) People who have never had the problem.
    2.) People who have had the problem, and the fix fixed it.
    3.) People who have had the problem, and the fix didn't fix it.
    4.) People who have had the problem, and haven't tried the fix.

    Let's ignore group one.
    Obviously the people in groups 3 and 4 are still having the problem.
    Group 3 because the fix didn't fix it, and group 4 because they haven't bothered to try the fix in the first place.
    Some people from group 4 might fall into group 2, but for some reason they read "you have to dry dock your boat to fix the problem" as just a suggestion.

    What if there are two problems that manifest similarly?
    People who have the first and didn't try the fix for it probably wouldn't be fixed by the fix for the second, so when all's said and done, they still have the problem.
     
  31. Lilyth of RK

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    I have had intermittent issues. Some runes work, some don't. As well as some runes that don't work on one toon work on another. It always seem to hit after a patch .. hehe go figure :) I use UOCart and just drop markers when I leave. Been here a while and ships have always been buggy.

    Done the dry Dock .. etc... not worth my time.

    Just sayin.
     
  32. Neutron Bomb

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    I remember the days of the Boat Break In bug..Ah how useful it would be today :)
     
  33. Petra Fyde

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    Oki, let's do that. Those who are being repeatedly hit by this bug, keep track of what you're doing and let's see if we can find a common denomintator.

    Let's provide useful feedback instead of just uninformative laments and rants.
     
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    As I said in my post it's an orc ship. Haven't done a fishing quest in months. No piriate quests or pole placed ever. Also orc ship has never been painted. The only thing I can think of out of the ordinary is that my fisher transfered from legends to atlantic.

    So this boat has been placed on one shard, dry docked and carried to another. Heck this last time the boat never even moved. I dropped it in the water outside minoc and left it where I could get back to it if the fix didn't work.
     
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    I do not see how a fix can work for some players, permanently, and not for others.

    I mean, we all play the same game, use the same clients and so either a fix works for all or for none, IMHO.

    This said, since, at least to me, to have to empty out my 16,000 stones hold, dry dock, replace, refill hold is a pain, if the fix works only temporarily just like my remarking of the boat rune, I'd rather keep remarking my rune when this happen rather than go through the hassle of dry docking over and over.....

    If the fix was permanent, though, I would certailnly and happily go the dry docking way because it would solve this issue for good, finally.

    That is why we have Forums, I think, and players posting their mutual experiences about the game we all play. Here I can ask fellow players of UO whether their dry docking fixed the problem for good or not. And if I read (as I am reading...) that players did go the dry docking way and yet they are still getting this rune bug, this helps me in my decision to NOT go the dry docking way and instead always keep track of my ship's last location and remark my rune when it happens.

    As I said, this was not the first time I was hit by the ship rune bug, it happened weeks ago already. I did NOT dry dock but simply boarded my ship from another boat and remarked my rune while onboard. This helped me playing for weeks without experiencing the problem again (and infact I thought it had been fixed for good since it was not happening to me anymore...) until yesterday when the rune lost track of the ship again all of a sudden.
     
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    Well, I have 2 ships in the waters, I got hit by this rune bug on BOTH of them, never dry docked any of them (well, I did dry dock 1 of them but that was to fix the fish mongers not seeing it for fishing quests, not for this rune bug...) and just remarked rune on board after approaching them with the other ship. The remarking of the rune, at least for me, not only survived next day maintainance, but it did so for weeks, maintainance after maintainance........

    Until the bug decides to show up again all of a sudden like it did yesterday, that is.....

    By the way, the rune I use for remarking IS the original rune I was given when I initially placed the ship in the waters from the deed. It is in a runebook since then and so I am 100% sure it IS the original rune I was given from placing from the deed.
     
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    That's my feeling........

    I mean, if dry docking grants a permanent fix 100% for sure than I am all for spending my time and patience on it. Otherwise, if even dry docking I can be hit by this bug I prefer to just sail to the ship with another one and remark my rune while onboard.

    But I definately would love to see this annoying bug go away for good........
     
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    Both the ships I use are Tokuno ships since they got the largest hold of 16,000 stones.

    Both runes are the original one received from the deed when placing the ships in the waters the very first time.

    Usually my pattern is most always the same, as I log in the very first thing I do, to avoid forgetting it, is go to my ships to refresh them from decaying. I hardly do much else before that. Sure, sometimes I might first hit a bank, or check a vendor but on average I think one of the first things I do when I log in for that day is hit the ships to refresh them.

    And that is when I find out that my ship cannot be located......

    So far, that I can remember, this bug has hit me once for one ship and twice (or maybe 3 times) on another ship.

    This is also very unusual to me since the bug does not hit me on BOTH ships, but either one or the other. I have NEVER been hit by this bug at the same time on both ships.

    So, I do not think it is something in my general in game behaviour otherwise it should hit both runes likewise, not either one as it does.

    As I said already, when this happens I just remark the original rune which I safely keep in a runebook since I now always keep the last location of my 2 ships, just in case.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I have a tokuno boat that I use for fishing and quests. It has never been painted and currently contains some fishing requests.

    My orc ship has never been used for fishing (nor has it ever been painted). All I have been doing with it for the last few weeks is refreshing it. It sits docked at a house.

    Both of these ships have had broken runes before this last time yesterday and back then I did dry dock both of them and remark the runes. Until yesterday I had no further problems.
     
  40. Beastmaster

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    I can eliminate some of the speculation.

    I got hit on 2 gargoyle ships, 1 tokuno ship, and 1 orc ship.

    One of the gargoyle ships and the tokuno ship were used for fishmonger quests, crabbing and SOSes, the other 2 ships never were.

    None of my ships have been painted.

    All of my ships have been drydocked.

    My ships have sailed in Trammel (including T2A) and Tokuno.

    All of my ships have been used to catch fish.

    My Tokuno ship had cannons but they were moved to my Orc ship.

    The Tokuno and Orc ship were used against pirates.

    The Orc ship has been used against merchants.

    At least 5 characters across 2 accounts have runes to all 4 ships.

    If one rune corrupts they all corrupt.

    Drydocking and redeploying has never replaced a rune in my bank box as Phoenix said it would.
     
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    UPDATE.

    Three days after my original post, I got hit again by the ship rune bug but this time, on the other ship. The ship which originated the current thread was just fine and the rune worked after I remarked it 3 days ago.

    So, I cannot possibly understand what triggers this bug as I just log in for the day and go to refresh my boats first thing but one cannot be located while the other can.

    Go figure........

    I did reach the ship that could not be located today and remarked the rune.

    Let's see how long it will last this time before either ship will be not reachable again.......
     
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    I remember someone mentioning that remarking the runes ruins the fix. Don't remember where it said that though.

    Edit: Here it is.

     
  43. Kinda makes sense ... clean rune marked to a dirty ship = clean ship(after drydock) with a dirty rune ...
    could work until a server reset(during the day you marked the rune)

    Can you mark TWO runes? for a before and after trial/test?
     
  44. Sevin0oo0

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    Since the ships are Designed to be marked on, simply remarking should fix a rune, that it goes bad repeatedly and to several players cries foul to me. For all problem people to Unload their ship (major PITA) 'should' have bought the programmers enough time to fix this. I don't think they have a clue. Wonder what they're doing with sugar-daddy/momma's money that was spent for this?
     
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    My ship has been doing this occasionally also, even since it was claimed fixed. I drydock at least weekly (i don't like leaving my ship out when i won't be on in a few days) so i've definitely docked and pulled the ship out again. I still have to re-mark runes sometimes after I pull the ship back out else they don't work when i try to gate to it later. This is a tok ship, red painted (2 coats), full load of cannons, always in fel waters. I've never done pirates on this ship, never had the pole. I do take damage quite often though, while i mostly hunt players I'll sink the merch ships too if i come across one, and sometimes they turn and get a shot off at me before i get out of the way.

    Might be worth a test, but could it be due to docking after taking damage?
     
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    You misquoted. Frarc said that, not I. Just relaying.
     
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    IIRC, the boats are coded and tracked similarly to houses, but on a shard level (instead of one server for all shards). Perhaps, the changes made to the housing code to create the ship code is hiccuping, and occasionally dropping parts of the database (like moving the "end of file" marker to someplace other than the actual end of the data - or even doing something something similar to the top of the file).

    Thoughts?
     
  48. Sevin0oo0

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    sorry, and I knew that when I did it. I thought that Farc was relaying also. Actually, I meant to leave off the name ID entirely, and have the quote box only. my mistake.
     
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    What I really have trouble understanding, is why, having 2 same Tokuno ships, not painted, both in Trammel, I NEVER get both ships experience the rune bug at the same time. It is either one but never both of them at once.

    If it was something which affects the way data is stored for ships, when I log in, having 2 ships both at sea, shouldn't I have to be hit by this bug on both ships rather than only 1 ?

    Yet, as I said, it never happened on both ships. Always either on one or the other........
     
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    Perhaps it is a problem with multiple ships on the same account.
    If changes to the boat code have been based on the housing code, perhaps some manner/rudiment of a "condemned" condition has been inherited, too.