This seems to be a hard question to answer. How exactly does bushido mix with wrestle defensively? Would bushido be detrimental, postive, or irrelevant to wrestle's defense in a non parry template? Also would dexterity be of any use here? i plan on using 30 base and crimmy for another 5 in the end template, not sure if more or less would be useful. I posted this question with full template details up in the pvp mage sticky but i dont know how many people read that, so heres the meat of the question down here. Thanks for any input. PS: I tested it for about an hour on TC1 with one character having 120 fencing and 45 HCI, other character having 120 wrestle, 100 bushido and 45 DCI. I tested it with spellbook and shield, no spellbook no shield, shield with no spellbook and spellbook with no shield and couldnt get any quanitfiable results.