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XFER LOST ITEMS BUG *BEWARE*

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Goodmann, Sep 17, 2015.

  1. Goodmann

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    So I had some random gold on pac and decided to xfer it to ATL (shard shield). Total amount was 248m (124 in bank and 124 in a bag on my char) Xferred to Atlantic and I only had 61m in my bag on my character when I arrived on atlantic (124 was still in bank). I am 1000% on the amount I had before xfer and it just got lost somehow..... Anyone else had this happen?
     
  2. sibble

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    Can confirm this happened to me a few hours ago. I used a real transfer token, had a total of 7 mil in checks in a wooden box in my backpack. Upon inspection after the transfer, the wooden box was empty.
     
  3. Captn Norrington

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    Has anyone checked if maybe the gold automatically converted into the new currency system or something? ( I just started a transfer for someone else a couple minutes ago, it included a bunch of gold checks, will let you guys know how it turns out) Really hope nothing goes wrong.
     
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    Quite possible. Afterall, i've noticed that the +2 Stable Slots for everyone has already taken effect on live shards.
     
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    No haven't noticed that..... but I don't have that sort of gold to be transferring with.
     
  6. Captn Norrington

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    Update: None of the gold from the transfer I did was lost, all of it arrived safely. Transfer was From Atlantic to Chesapeake.
     
  7. Acid Rain

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    Tuesday 3am transferred 200m (all checks) to Sakura. Bought abt 70m worth of items off vendors then
    Wednesday 6am transferred from Sakura to Mizuho. Spent abt 50mil there (all off vendors).
    Left 25m on Sakuro and Mizuho (I leave 25m on each non-main shard for fun spending).

    I'm back on Atl now. While I cant say 100% b/c I didn't count each penny....
    All my money appears to be accountable for and the kicker that everyone loves to hear....
    +100 items all bought off vendors are all vendorable back here on ATL, no exceptions.

    Thus adding to my +200 shard transfers, moving thousands of items without a
    single thing ever encountering the supposed "shard transfer unvendorable" bug.
    Don't hate, just sayin......:heart:
     
  8. Vor

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    I took around 500m over to Chesapeake yesterday. All cheques were accounted for upon arrival.
     
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    Any of you posting, did you transfer your gold within a container within your backpack? That's kinda the pattern of the first two posts.

    EDIT: Meaning, put your checks in a bag, place said bag within your backpack. Initiate a transfer. I'm assuming with 500m, you had to have done something like this, unless it was on a pack horse?
     
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  10. Vor

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    Yes. Also in a blue beetle and a pack horse.
     
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  11. Acid Rain

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    I use the long shaped Xmas boxes due to them being over sized compared to other containers.
    I had 150 checks in my main bank (not in a container) and 50 checks in the Xmas box inside my pack.
    All items in my characters pack are within an Xmas box every time I transfer anywhere.
     
  12. sibble

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    Sorry just to clarify :)

    You had gold in a container in your character's backpack, beetle, and pack horse. Correct?
     
  13. Vor

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    Yeap.
     
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    Well apparently it's not happening to everyone. What I do know is without a shadow of a doubt that I lost 7m (and I could care less about getting it back.)

    Just take caution people :)
     
  15. Smoot

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    I lost a few items last week when i did a transfer. it was just some imbued armor so i didnt even page a gm about it. the armor was on my character, i had the paperdoll open when i started the transfer, so am 100 percent sure it was lost during the transfer process.
     
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  16. Capt. Lucky

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    Maybe the checks were duped and are being filtered out with the changes they're making? Just musing. Duped checks get deleted and the dupers keep whatever they bought, not the fairest system.
     
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    I had the same thought about them being duped checks. It doesn't have to end in failure and money loss.

    Duping is taking one item and making another one that, from what I understand of it, usually comes out with the same ID. There's a couple really simple fixes to this. First you can cash your checks and make new ones. This creates a brand new ID for your gold. Simple for low volume fixes. For those with a high volume of gold that you're unsure of, you can use a 2nd account to buy off your 1st account vendor to get the gold out of check form and issued a new ID.

    A little time consuming but it's fail safe to keep from losing money.
     
  18. Acid Rain

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    Thanks for the tips on washing illegal currency. The way you break it down for "low volume fixes" and "high volume of gold" is just brilliant for those that hate to lose their duped gold.

    Tho most people with high volumes of duped gold probably know this already, its really sweet of you to put this out there for those who hadn't considered such actions. You Da Man....:facepalm:.
     
  19. Capt. Lucky

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    Dammit... that their/they're thing caught me off guard again ;) Anyway ya they gave us plenty of time to clean up our money. They clearly put the word out this was coming so they gave us a heads up. I have no idea where half my checks came from lol. I did the vendor thing which is really easy. But since then I've probably picked up another 20 mill or so in checks lol. I'm not going to worry about it.
     
  20. Lord Frodo

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    That is impossible, you can't have 124 checks in a bag on you char because that would have been 125 items in your backpack with no room for a transfer token.
     
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    Mesanna has been talking about this forever. They clearly are giving us time to clean things up. They're clearly more concerned about stopping it over burning legit players who acquired duped check through no fault of their own. This isn't the first post about various ways to clean up your gold on Stratics either. If they actually were going to do some "gold cleanup" they never would have mentioned it. One day we would have gotten a patch and gold would have disappeared. They gave us a heads up so if you lose gold you have no one to blame but yourself. I believe the intent of this is to put a stop to it, not punish the innocent.
     
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    The first post states that his checks were in a bag on his char.
     
  23. sibble

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    Should always post/report when something like this happens, regardless of how little it may be, because it could effect someone else in a bigger way.

    I do know that these specific checks were given to me as payment for loot (specifically antique jewelry.) In other words, I did not make these checks from gold out of my bank. So it's very well possible.

    Yes... I was asking the people who were posting *after* the first two posts, seeing at the 2nd post was my own...
     
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  24. Capt. Lucky

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    What I'm really concerned about is they're "making a list of known duped items". No way to clean that up. I wonder what that will do to my rares collection?
     
  25. Lythos-

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    Calm down there Batman. No need for innocents to get ripped in the name of crime fighting.
     
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    It would seem plausible to me that with the way ID are assigned that even a freshly made check could end up marked as duped during a transfer. It could happen the same way an item that was bought off a vendor on shard A gets marked as unvendorable when transferred to shard B. It very well could have been happening all along and never noticed because checks are rarely put on the vendors as an item for sale.

    So if they implemented code to straight up delete checks it is now visible. Not potentially a long term issue for checks as they will soon be shard bound and currency transfers during shard hops will be through escrow accounts. Sounds to me like the code was dropped in without enough forethought that the flaw in marking items as dupes during transfers may in fact delete legit checks for the same reason.
     
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    If they're duped, wouldn't it make it a fake rares collection?!
     
  28. Capt. Lucky

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    Well it was still my (I assume) real gold that bought it lol
     
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  29. Capt. Lucky

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    Actually most of my better stuff I've never seen sold on any sort of mass scale. I'm a little concerned about my skull mugs though cause I've seen a lot of those :p I think it was far easier for dupers to stick with duping checks than messing around with rares up till now. However expensive rare items would be the next logical place they would move to.
     
  30. DJAd

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    People still take pack horses full of checks on transfers? I thought they way to do it now was to swap up gold at the casino for chips, transfer to the new shard then the chips back in for gold.
     
  31. Acid Rain

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    Mesanna has been talking abt how to wash duped gold checks? Holy Crap things have changed in the few months I took a break.
    Mesanna is clearly giving players time to make legit any duped checks? I'd love to read the posts/threads or see the interviews on that.
    I've watched the DEV interviews & followed their press releases. I musta missed what your telling me is common DEV discussion.
    Please point me in the direction of these Mesanna/DEV conversations cause I'd LOVE to see them.

    I know this isn't the 1st player post on ways to clean up your duped gold, tho I continue to question the validity of offering such advise. I still cant help but face palm when I read someone step-by-step explaining how to get around any "possible" dupe detection by reassigning new item-id #s. All someone has to do is make a broad comment concerning dupe detection & a community member will jump up w/ suggestions how to get around it. Bravo.
     
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  32. Goodmann

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    Yes it was 124m checks in a brown bag that equals 125 items. Your pack can hold 125 items last time I checked. 63M can barely buy you a cup of coffee so it's not a huge loss. As far as it being duped I am fairly certain that's not the case. I just thought it was odd only half of it disappeared. Hope this does not happen to anyone else
     
  33. Acid Rain

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    When I last was playing UO at the beginning of this Summer, I saw quite a few of the sparkly blue Sphynx statues on vendors throughout Luna and I think at a Minoc moongate vendor (if I remember correctly). You know? That one of a kind statue that only one was ever made? LOL.

    It was also my understanding the (left facing ?) skull mug was one of the 1st ever mass duped items from many years ago.
     
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  34. Acid Rain

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    Your missing Lord Frodo 's point. Your pack can hold 125 items, true. 124 checks in a brown bag = 125 items true.
    Where the hell did you put the transfer token that you need to transfer ? Your story is inherently flawed Sir.
     
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  35. Capt. Lucky

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    Pretty much. You really gotta wake up and smell the coffee on this one. If I'm in law enforcement I don't post in the paper I'm going to be busting drug houses at the following addresses in 3 weeks. Mesanna isn't stupid and she knew full well what would happen when she announced the fix for duped checks. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out several ways around it. Which I applaud btw. It wouldn't be anywhere near fair to punish the entire game for the actions of a handful. It's pretty clear what's going on here. What's done is done, UO is looking at the future with this duping fix. Paranoid folks out there have been doing money laundering for a long time, lol.
     
  36. Smoot

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    all server births were duped at some point. every single one (as well as many older rares from before 2006ish) the more common skull mug is the one with the handle on the left. that was an exploit a couple years back when mana draught first came out. a "dupe" in the casual sense of the word, but not a true dupe.
     
  37. Goodmann

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    Yeah your right I had to take 1 check out and hand it to the character who had token but regardless it happened (was a last second thing I did before xfer so I guess I only lost 60m instead of 61). I guess all I can say I hope it doesn't happen to anyone else. Post under my original post he also stated he had the same problem so there is another case.
     
  38. Capt. Lucky

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    Kinda getting back on topic. I've been upstairs Atlantic *twice* when I suddenly discover a large pile of goodies that I assume dropped from pack horses being transferred. So I'm guessing there are things to do and not to do when transferring. From these instances I've decided that I would only transfer stuff that will fit in my bank and backpack. Mind you I only go there with transfer tokens so I'm not there all that often. Probably once a month tops. But I've found some really nice high end stuff. I thought about making a guy to to hang out upstairs at Luna lol. Both times this happened it was a really large quantity of nice stuff.
     
  39. Acid Rain

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    So let me get this right......

    Mesanna has been talking abt ways to stop duping checks & implementation of a system which would stop gold dupers in the future.
    Some members of the Stratics community immediately start discussions on ways around this to "help" the community.

    I see your assumption that Mesanna is ad hoc suggesting that players wash their gold. You know what "Assume" means right?
     
  40. Capt. Lucky

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    I believe you. I've lost stuff in transfers. I just note the number of items before and after. Sometimes they don't match up at the final destination. I've not lost anything major though. Never actually tried to make a list of what went missing. I believe there are things that doesn't transfer though so it could have been stuff like that and I didn't pay attention.
     
  41. Capt. Lucky

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    You saw what I wrote. It's very simple. It's either she tipped us all off or she's a moron. Which do you think it is?
     
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    I think there are plenty of morons around here but neither she nor I are one of them:D .

    I still don't ascribe to your interpretation of her comments. People often hear what best fits their state of mind;).
     
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    To quote Meat Loaf, one out of two ain't bad.

    There's a ton of sales that HAVE to involve a broker now with keeps, castles and event items selling so high so yeah that involves a ton of checks. Your anti-cheating tunnel vision super hero glasses aren't allowing you to see that these people will lose their years of work due to selling to the wrong person.

    What about the people that buy their gold? Chances are it's all dirty. Now they're going to be out of their gold AND RL money.
     
  44. Capt. Lucky

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    Well Mesanna DID say she never heard of duped stacks of gold. So she more or less provided us a poor tedious way of doing it lol.
     
  45. Capt. Lucky

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    From what I hear they make their gold selling game time codes. If you sell a one month game time code for 100 mill that cost you say 13 bucks for the code from Mythic. You take the 100 mill you got for the game time code and sell that for 25 bucks. You doubled your money. It's easy and don't have to get involved with any illegal or time consuming stuff. It's quick easy money (probably tax free) with little work involved other than sitting around keeping one eye on your computer for customers.
     
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    I actually tried this out once, quite awhile back but it did not work out.
    The gold I swapped for chips remained on the original shard I transferred from. has this changed..just curious:eyes:
     
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    LOL. That comment damn near made me choke on my ice tea.
    If your buying gold then yea, chances are its all dirty. So yea, they should be outta the gold and RL money. Thats life bro :)
    Read your TOS:eyes:. When your argument stems on something blatantly against the TOS.... I'm done here LOL.

    I don't wear glasses but thanks for alluding any semblance of superhero qualities to me, very kewl.

    She provided us a poor way to dupe gold your saying? LOL

    Ok, I'm starting to feel like Token from South Park in this thread.
    To quote Cartman, " Screw you guys, I'm going home." :lol:
     
  48. Capt. Lucky

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    No a way to clean it up. *rolls eyes*
     
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    I have not lost any gold but I had many items go missing from my bank and chars. I had filled up some chars with stuff. next thing u know, the chars and banks are all empty except the gift items. this has happened 3 or 4 times. was told by devs that this cant happen, coughs. no, they are not duped items lol.
     
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    I've reactivated old accounts I'm sure had stuff on them and every character/bank was empty on every shard. This was before shard transfers so there would have been some stuff on some of the characters across the shards. But they were really really old accounts.