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Notice. The Umbra Hub fighting policy.

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by kelmo, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. kelmo

    kelmo Stratics Legend Stratics Pro Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

    I have never enforced any policy of fighting one way or another. That is going to change. I am planning on opening a public minded building on the property soon. Details to be posted soon...

    Take yer fights to the streets... not in me pub.

    *note* any changes of access to the hub will not affect access to the Abyss house other than use of the Teleporter tile.
  2. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    i have been ganked here before so understand peoples frustration but i thought you were gonna keep the abyss house open to everyone so how are you gonna enforce this with out banning people which negates "the shard access to the abyss"? maybe allow abyss teleport to be placed somewhere else maybe at a gate house or something idk just a suggestion
  3. kelmo

    kelmo Stratics Legend Stratics Pro Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

    The Abyss house will always be open. The Ranger house anyway. The hub is my house. If anyone else wants to open a hub. Knock yer self out. Many have wanted to move this hub to Magencia. I just ask for some respect... If I build a pub... I would hope that it will be a kill zone. All I ask is take yer duels to the streets.
  4. Vortex

    Vortex Slightly Crazed

    Wait a minute...Don't you have an abyss house that you refuse to make public Sprago???
  5. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    I didnt recieve donations for a public access abyss house, did I?. I won this house and its a guild house. I dont have access to your guild houses. And i wasnt trying to be an ass i have never killed anyone at that house and have been killed there a few times but i still think the access point to the public abyss house should remain totally accessable by everyone Podalock would prolly host that teleport for you in new mag . Im sure we in i4ni would let the abyss access teleport sit at the yew gate house

    i just would like to see everyone accessable to it reguardless if there a murder or not
  6. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    I thought you were all about the community now Sprago?? You know...make sure people are selling high end items and not hoarding them. Just get out and play the game...all that rah rah. You really couldn't make another house a GH and give access to the community that Abyss home? I recall when the one Kelmo was bidding on people just gave funds to keep it open for the community as a whole. Actually I think the community outbid your guild if memory serves me right...you ever use the portal to the Kelmo abyss house??
  7. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    i was just trying to ask for you to leave the abyss ranger house open to the whole shard as it was intended which means no banning
    but some how it got turned into something else as always

    kelmo they are your houses thats clear hub and abyss both, you do as you wish as you should

    screw what anyone else thinks right?

    cya in game
    Heavenless likes this.
  8. Shh!

    Shh! Lore Master

    Typical trammie crap. I respect places like NEW guildhouse and Czar's casino because they are spots for people to gather. The Hub is nothing more than a waypoint on to other areas in game. It's bad enough that certain guilds get private access to their homes there but to make it off limits to fighting under the guise of it being a "pub" is weak. Sadly, I'd expect no less from Mr. Kelmo.
  9. OldAsTheHills

    OldAsTheHills Lore Master

    I has been my habit to use Fire Temple and The Hall of the Kings entrance. Both houses in the Abyss could be open for use and I will not use them. Please deal with in game differences. I am staying away from the teleporters to where-ever.

  10. kelmo

    kelmo Stratics Legend Stratics Pro Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

  11. Shh!

    Shh! Lore Master

    Yaha, you are scared of your own shadow. Take a risk once in a while, the most it will cost you is a crappy LRC suit.
  12. nightstalker22

    nightstalker22 Lore Master Stratics Veteran

    It is Kelmo's desire to open a Pub on the plot where the "public" Hub now sits. It is his desire to also decree a no fighting / no PK law, and enforcing it via banning players. While that is certainly within his right ( a bar without bar fights ), he is threatening denial of access to the Abyss Teleporter Hub Tile, the tile that was the sole reason for the creation of the hub. I offered to take on the Abyss tile at the Church due south of the Hub, as I have a no banning policy on all of my public access houses ( which all of my houses are public access, because this is Siege, and there should be actual risk ). Kelmo agreed in General Chat, then renigged. The offer still stands, Kelmo. Let the Abyss remain free and open to all, without the threat of banning!
  13. Raptor85

    Raptor85 Certifiable

    Sorry, but the second he asked the entire shard for help in getting the abyss house under the guise of it being a transit system freely usable by anyone it essentially became a public house (while this technically isn't "that" house it's certainly the only useable way to it, which was the entire point in getting it....the abyss house may as well be private if people get banned from the hub as it's useless otherwise). If banning people from the hub is to be allowed than he needs to allow anyone, without question, to provide a house teleporter to link to the abyss house so that free transit to the abysss is still allowed.
  14. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    hey i tell ya what if you get the whole shard and a few others to chip in and give me what was given to astynax for the other abyss house to remain public for ever i will do it because that is what happened
    so what was it 100 mil here and 2 billion over in atlantic if this happens my abyss house will remain public for as long as siege its self is still activated.
    P.S this also includes a public acess to and from
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  15. Baby Doll

    Baby Doll Sage Stratics Veteran

    Just a suggestion, How about just adding one more teleport IN the Abyss house and placeing that teleport somewhere else? So there would be an option for people. That way what ever happens at Kelmo's home /hub in Umbra it is of no absolute concern to abyss.
  16. OldAsTheHills

    OldAsTheHills Lore Master

    There was a time that monsters and players had shadows, but they were not needed. My shadow never gave me a concern.
    I thought the Abyss houses was a mistake by the developers. The teleporters takes away the original risk entering the Abyss.
    It makes those controlling those houses to have an advantage by reducing the risk in the game, bypassing monsters spawns.
    The teleporting system house to houses seems to be that Win Win, but why does it matter with Stealth skill in this game.
    I sure their enough stealthing pkers to make me look over my shoulder. I look forward to the usual one sided fight, which I evade.
    I always like RC chasing me in Exodus, you expect me to stay and lose. I am geared up to do PvM only. If you want a fight, try finding Faction opponents, but do not expect a fair fight.

  17. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    I'm not the one standing on a pedestal every week or so begging people to play more often or berating people to sell the higher end items that you want to buy and not hoard them. Again, you wish to help the shard become more active....give people easy access to a area that they can easily come and farm and perhaps stay on the shard. You seem to have no problem complaining about a house that you didn't contribute too and complained bitterly that the whole shard was rising up against you guys. People gave freely to Kelmo's cause ( myself included) because it was a good thing for the shard not for your own greedy purpace. The price wouldn't have been anywhere near the same if you hadn't been trying to outbid...though i'm sure Asty wouldn't complain lol Your plot isn't worth that...do as you soooooooo often say... Don't live in the past.
  18. Baby Doll

    Baby Doll Sage Stratics Veteran

    Now wait a minute there. Believe or not Sprago and I both contributed to that house. When Kelmo was doing item auction for funds I bought from that list knowing full well what it was going for. And it had NOTHING to do with greed. Asty was selling his house and I made him a offer of house swaps. It was an honest , innocent offer on a house I wanted, and it turned into an auction in which I was my guild/family were considered villains for making that offer. While we understood why Siege community went after it as well was totally understandable. But the fact that the house I was swapping Asty for was worth soo much was not greed but the going rate. And (not positive) I believe I offered before Kelmo even. So just becasue I made an offer that the shard didn't like did not make that offer greedy nor a villiainous one. So yes we did give gold (by items, not alot) because we were part of this community have have been for many years. And I would have loved to have owned Asty's house and would do it all over again. I went after that Asty's house NOT guild. This is not liviing in the past , this is me dealing with your statement in the present.
  19. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    i did contribute
    hording doesnt help anyone i dont do it
    its the fact that the whole shard contributed to the purchase and kelmo is gonna change the availability of the house so your crap doesnt make any sence
    its my house ill do as i wish with it because i didnt recieve lots of money from alot of people to recieve it kelmo did thats the point now stay on topic
  20. PwnBroker

    PwnBroker Adventurer

    I am a noob to siege but correct me if I am wrong. Siege is the last real up shard? Hmm felucca ruleset? Open pvp? Summer anything can happen anywhere? You want a public pub with no fighting? So open that thing up in a GZ?? Besides you took the shards money for the abyss house to keep access for everyone? Well us pks are people too.. I'm just saying.
    You can ban me if u want ill still attack people going to and from there.my 2 cents from the road..
  21. PwnBroker

    PwnBroker Adventurer

    Sry for typos on phone.. stupid auto correct ;(
  22. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    I didn't consider you or your guild villians for making bids or trying to buy a house that was of interest to you. But I don't consider you bidding on and buying useful items from an auction that had been donated to kelmo the same as just donating gold/items with nothing in return
  23. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    Actually your crap doesn't make any sense. You contradict yourself with every post. On one hand you defend your right to do whatever you wish with your property. On the other hand, others should do what you think they should do to improve the community. That Abyss home is Kelmo's house now, he pays for the account ( or do you ??) and has ever since he got the abyss house. The shard doesn't fork over cash every month to cover that expense..he does. He has maintained that the home will remain open to all to use. I don't recall kelmo even asking for funds...people just donated to the cause as they felt it was a good one.
  24. HoldenCaulfield

    HoldenCaulfield Seasoned Veteran Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Shadow Light

    Don't get me wrong, I respect Kelmo and all but I think both the Sprago and O-S crew make valid points. In fact, I would say they both do good things for the shard (respectively) other than simply 'hosting' a teleporter. Running a guild is tough work and it is easy to fail but I see Sprago's guild constantly trying to recruit and O-S has also seemed to evolved a bit as well. Yes, we may not all agree on their charters or tactics, but they do offer outlets and commrade to like-minded people. Kelmo, on the other hand, I think used to do a lot more (i.e. I^A) but is much more passive these days - yet people still see him as the shard leader. Correct me if I am wrong, but I just don't see him actively leading anything anymore - and it may be RL reasons or whatever, but regardless I think others are much more active. Yes he does host a hub, but we can all lock down a tile every now and then...

    I hope that is not taken as an insult, but that is just how I see the state of things currently. I had certainly tried several things to help the community and have failed myself on several ventures, so I am certainly not implying I know or am better than anyone. I just think these guilds who do seem to be trying and not giving up - and are prospering (as far as Siege numbers go) should have their voices heard.

    P.S. I am not involved in either guild (or any guild at the moment) so just an outside view.
  25. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    New Mags kinda ruined the Siege Perilous mentality to me when they made it a guard zone protected city :(

    PK's are awesome fun on Siege and are generally accepted as good people by most of the shard. PK as you can and do what you need to do...
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  26. Baby Doll

    Baby Doll Sage Stratics Veteran

    Then clearly you have never been to a event auction to raise funds.. When an auction is all about getting funds up for a cause, it is expected that people buy items big and small regardless of amount. It dosen't matter whether you need the item, resale that item or let it rot away, it simply dosn't matter. Object of event raise funds, all who buy items or simply give up funds are both contributing to that cause.
  27. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    Everyone should have the right to speak on a forum if they so choose...right or wrong.

    Just remember that not all that do a ton of work of promoting the shard and in particular keeping players here once they try it post on this forum. For instance... when was the last time you saw Hoffs posting and I can't think of another player on Siege that is more active or has done more for keeping players here than him.
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  28. kelmo

    kelmo Stratics Legend Stratics Pro Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

    I am still reading and considering yer words. Please note I have no ill will towards Sprago, Baby Doll and crew. Everything was on the up and up and there were never any harsh words between the interested parties during the entire process. It was an amazing deal (ordeal). Many folks from all over were involved. That is history though... let's leave it there. OK?
  29. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    Don't assume...you know little of me :)
  30. Baby Doll

    Baby Doll Sage Stratics Veteran

  31. Vortex

    Vortex Slightly Crazed

    Kelmo, do what YOU think is best for the community. If its making the house more secure from certain people, then so be it.

    If you think its better to leave it as is, then so be it as well. People know the risks of Siege.

    In all of us chipping in for the house AND putting you in charge of it, I think we made the decision to have you represent us. Just like in the political world, we may not always like your decisions but we should respect your ability to make them.

    I would have kept my mouth shut at the beginning of this post, but like Kael, I think Sprago has no business throwing his opinion around in this. I have quite a bit of respect for Sprago except in the fact that one side of his mouth screams "help the community" while the other side of his mouth screams "the house is mine and never mind how much I could benefit the community". While I respect his right to do so, I think actions speak louder than words.
  32. Vortex

    Vortex Slightly Crazed

    Dude, seriously?

    I had thought better of you then that. Are you seriously saying you are willing to lower yourself to Astys level? We knew that he was interested in what's best for himself, but I always believed you when you said you are interested in what's best for the community. The house cost you nothing, your a better person than to make a statement like you did above.
  33. kelmo

    kelmo Stratics Legend Stratics Pro Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

    Chill my Siege friends. I was just considering this with the hub house. I will never ban or make private the Ranger house.
  34. Czarina

    Czarina Slightly Crazed

    Just my two cents: Kelmo you could consider the temporary banning that i do from my vendor shop. I have not had to enforce it but a couple times. But my ruling was this: no fighting / stealing at my shop those that are lucky enough to get targeted by my ban macro got a temporary banning. Usualy was like 24 hours. This way they attack one time they gotta make it count or they lost a fighting area for a day. Also keep in mind alot of the people who go down to shame are either stealthers or in groups (better chance at defending themselves?). I dont even know the last time i even saw any one in the abyss. oh, and yes im in there daily (try to find me). As for spragos house he was lucky enough to win that house as was asty, They were free to do whatever they wanted with thier houses as those became thier main accounts houses. It also forced them to basicaly open second accounts so they could link thier houses together. Helping raise money for astys house (item auction included) was meant as a shard wide thing. To me id have to agree if you hold a item auction thats sole purpose is to raise money to get a house for the community then anyone who purchased a item was donating in some way. (they spent time to make the gold that they used to purchase auction items). All the guilds on siege and those without guilds are part of sieges community with thier playstyle, O-S is a prime example of a pvp guild, Siege has always had more of the better pvp fights that i have seen and i since thier main hunting area is around the hub (which is by some of thier houses) of course they are going to chase you into a house thats public. There are ways around this. Chumlee learned this when he attacked me and i was able to run into thier own guilds public house and he couldnt follow me in. (gotta love combat flag). We all know what guilds there are and how they run thier guilds. Nobody has changed tactics to how they play. Some are more unpredictable then others but we all do stuff to try out once in a while. (that darned Anirazc has been racking up some counts lately). For those that dont know i was running red toons as my mains for many many years. Yes thats right a little ol merchant was a pk at one time lol.

    Too summarize tho i dont feel as if every fight should get ya banned and if it does id just make it temporary. Post on the boards your house rules and those that dont follow then they get the punishment. As for the tile being public If he puts it in the pub then it is still public, if you attack and get yourself banned then you just blew your chance at a public tele to the abyss house for a short amount of time (if kelmo went with temporary bannings). You dont want to be banned? then dont fight at the house. and no im not calling you O-S out on your fighting. Its siege we all expect to be attacked. If i got attacked at one of my houses of course ill ban ya till i get my stuff back! Darned turds shouldnt hurt people wearing purple! Have i banned anyone ever? Yes 3 people in about 4 years. Cleared the list next day. But also think about this, How many people actualy keep all your loot and dont offer to sell it back anymore? All i hear in chat is "hey you wanna buy your stuff back?" Very rarely do i see someone say "can i buy my stuff back?" Its always the victor that seems to give the opportunity to get it back.

    Remember this is siege. We have pvp. We have pvp allowed everywhere. Yes pvp in new mag. Ive died multiple times in new mag and nobody got guard whacked. (guard zone my arse) Thieves be stealing stuff all day long on new mag. If we have a guard zone in new mag is sure as heck doesnt work very well, so i dont understand why everyone keeps bringing that up. Since they allowed placing houses there i have NEVER seen even one person get guard whacked there.

    Why must everyone always jump into arguing with each other? This is no way to draw attention to siege. Wouldnt it be more in your best interest to post a simple thought on kelmos rules and maybe give a idea on how to make it work? Kelmo does alot for the shard still that happens behind the scenes. Just cause you dont see it doesnt mean its not happening.

    Also im fairly certain that the reason kelmo came to his original post in this thread was due to chumlee and others constantly sitting on the hub plot just waiting for people to show up. (this does get old and makes people not want to use the hub). im not bagging on ya all but make it like a stop on your search for pvp? I know i would personaly get tired if people just sat in my house all day waiting to kill anyone that showed up. That would be like me sitting in my vendor shopping banning anyone that came to buy things. If anyone (and im not singling you all out O-S i still love ya all and what you do for the shard yourselves) sat and waited all day long on the sole purpose of killing people to be annoying they would deserve to be banned.

    I know im mentioning O-S alot but its in no means a complain session about them. Im simply pointing out why the no fighting policy came up. So im going to end my rant with this....

    Kelmo its your house you do what you feel necessary. Full on banning of people fighitng at the hub to me is not in the best interest of our community (siege). We have pks they will pk you. They will follow you into houses, the command "remove thyself" works wonders. If thier combat flagged they cant get back in to harm you. If you do choose to ban people i would definatly let them know why they were banned (if thier not bright enough to figure it out) and let them know they will be unbanned later. This way if they want to fight at your house then they have something to risk. I agree that the abyss house tele tile should remain public. Im all for maybe another tile placed at a fully public house with no "fighting/banning" ruling. Placing the tile at the church leads to the risk of being attacked there. You could perhaps set up a few tiles to go to the abyss from like a few different areas.

    out of curiosity cause i must of missed it somewhere but why is there only one tile that leads to the abyss? Is this a abyss house thing or a house owner thing? I just ask cause i think sprago only has one tile that goes to his abyss house also. Ive always assumed that maybe the houses only let you have one lol
  35. Czarina

    Czarina Slightly Crazed

    Flame that post all you want :devil:
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  36. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend


    And they call me the [Queen OF WALLS OF TEXT !]

    I had 2 posts posted in this thread but I opted to delete them both.

    I had mentioned how at story nights or fight nights
    be they at the Shire, Wintermoor or TNT fight nights,
    how sometimes we had to TEMP ban an individual,
    for the greater good of the many at an event for a night,
    to enable all contenders to compete alive in fights, or for the audience to get to watch fights.

    A temp ban sometimes was tossed on some individual/s that thought pking everyone
    BEFORE a player run hosted event, even got to take place, was always the way to go.

    Sometimes it's ok, sometimes those hosting something [just want their event to happen FIRST],
    kill everyone LATER or something, to add to the anticipation, of the entire evening.

    Usually an individual or 2 were unbanned by morning.

    I was thinkin that that was what Kelmo maybe meant, by *banning*
    like if he was hosting a tavern night, like back in ol Iantown,
    @ hubpub, that he might like folks
    to sample some of the new brewskies [first], before DYING !

    Anyhow I deleted 2 of my own posts here,
    cuz it all seemed to all be going like
    a lot of ancient not let go of mifted feelings
    or beating dead horses with sticks, anyhows,
    like many of Siege arguements go. :rant2:

    As for hubs and teleporter tiles, aren't there also public moongates too,
    going to nearly everywhere, [if one has bought various expansions ??? ]
    I can't even GO to any Abyss cept on ONE acct. the rest I didn't even bother to upgrade to SA. So since I so seldom even USE SA lands, no clue if a public moongate takes us near where them few abyss homes are away from the main TerMur township.

    But before the advent of teleporter tiles, crystal portals,
    we all had to walk or ride, or gate, somewhere, to get anywhere
    where we upgraded our accts. to go to.

    Gee folks we all CAN still do that [too],
    without even using/needing other players' teletiles, crystal thingies, etc.

    use public game moongates, etc. like UO used to be
    when we HAD to get anywhere, without use
    of these new UO gizmo'd wonder items
    like teletiles, crystal portals, making it TOO EASY for us to go anywhere,
    sitting on nearly everyone's public patios, nowadays !

    Used to be pks could find victims at PUBLIC INGAME moongates,
    now they almost have to resort to hanging out at PUBLIC tele hub homes,
    be they one tele tile or many linkin us all to where to go !! Can't blame them
    new UO inventions also forced pks to find victims at teleporter HUBS ~!
    No one walks or rides around nor uses GAME moongates, any more ???

  37. IanJames

    IanJames Certifiable Stratics Veteran Staff Alumnus

    Everyone keeps saying "This is Siege" well, yes it is. I know I can get killed at anytime anywhere on this shard, and that's ok with me, but your actions will have consequences. If you're griefing people at the hub, then you can expect something to happen. That might be a group showing up to kill you, or it might be the house owner evicting you. Kelmo can do whatever he wants. If you get banned from the hub, it's because you're an ass.
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  38. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend


    Memories, misty, water colored, *happy* memories....

    of the way we WERE !!!

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  39. Kael

    Kael Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    That picture is awesome!
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  40. T'Challa

    T'Challa Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    Aww Delly's Spiritual Temple :(
  41. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Aye Delly's Spiritual Temple
    the event sorta went 'hues of gray's before our gathering had even got off the ground... for lots of us, that time,

    but it does still remain my fav screenshot of [SIEGE PERILOUS.] :)

    But that picture may explain why I always have a character named:

    Hughes of Gray

  42. PwnBroker

    PwnBroker Adventurer

    Well in My own defense u don't sit there I live one screen away yea I attack people there all the time so what? I don't camp it . Not my fault you all use the private Gil Porter instead of gating. And tbh honest the only time I go there to camp is when the dress wearing Garfield decides to keep running by my house and yes was a mission of mine to kill him several tikes but I'm done now ;)
    And Czarina I don't mind you pointing me out ;) I still love u ;•P events through the hate. Lol
  43. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Time for a lil UO musical interlude : :)

  44. PwnBroker

    PwnBroker Adventurer

  45. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

  46. Tjalle

    Tjalle Grand Inquisitor Stratics Veteran


    Personally I think Kelmo can do whatever he choose to do with the Hub plot but what would the harm be in allowing one or more other public houses to have a teleporter to the Abyss house?
  47. Shh!

    Shh! Lore Master

    I'm too lazy to look back through posts but I'm pretty sure Kelmo made the statement that access to the Abyss house would always be public. Banning people from the hub is counter to that statement. I think the problem is that Kelmo is trying to combine the hub (a place that should remain public) and a community building (a pub).

    There are already people that run into houses where fighting isn't allowed in order to evade combat, the hub will just become another one of those should the no fighting policy be enacted. Obviously it's Kelmo's house/decision but your actions define your character.
  48. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot Stratics Veteran


    I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I do have a suggestion for Kelmo that might be worth some consideration.

    What if you built your Pub and placed the public teleporters outside of the main structure of the pub... Possibly somewhere on the porch. This way, you can leave the plot itself open to the public for use of the teleporters and people can always have access to them as they always have, but the Pub doors and/or teleporter to access the interior of the pub could have private settings. Friend or grant general access to your friends, regular patrons and even the factioners, pk's, reds or whomever agree's to your no combat rule which would only apply to the inside portion of the pub itself. That way, the people who agree to your rule can come and go as they wish, just as if it were a public building. Those who violate your rule would simply lose access to the pub, but not the public teleporters.

    Hub teleporters would simply be "Use at your own risk", both coming and going, just as they are now.

  49. QueenZen

    QueenZen Stratics Legend Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Well yeh, the way he rearranged the tele tiles all moved to the outside, that was what I figured he was figuring on anyhows, pub in the center as a building,
    with all the outter parts where all them tele tiles are, more like exterior walkway.

    Them tele-tiles were all centered up more before, so that just what
    I figured that he was figuring on doing, there.

    Just looking at the hub since he began remodeling it sorta says room for pub in the N'Eastish big space there, tele tiles all now moved out to the outter south and west, walking spots,
    it don't take a rocked scientist to see where, maybe he is going with the design. But what do I know. :)
  50. T'Challa

    T'Challa Certifiable Stratics Veteran

    Too much involved in the logistics of friending, unfriending, banning, unbanning, granting access, removing access on a nightly basis...These things are not fun for Kelmo (I can attest to this)

    Siege Perilous players:

    I haven't been around much, but I've been watching y'all...Personally, with what Kelmo has done for this shard, I think you all should lay off. Unless you guys are donating the 12.99 a month to keep the account active, then get off his nuts. Sure, you donated gold (read: pixels) to help Kelmo make this a "public" place, but I was under the impression that the Abyss home would remain public. If this is the case, then you have no leg to stand on. If he restricts access to the home that holds the teleporters to the Abyss house, what of it? It's his. He's breaking his word to noone.

    Ah-ha, in post #3 of this thread, Kelmo said:

    This basically negates every major cry in this thread. Now, I'm not sure how anyone else could build a hub unless Kelmo allows teles locked down in the Abyss, but again, that's his decision

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