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Are there plans to make throwing a decent skill?

Discussion in 'UO Warrior' started by darkblade70, Mar 25, 2010.

  1. darkblade70

    darkblade70 Guest

    Are there? I hear Gargs are getting fixed a bit, same with better Mysticism and Focus alignment.

    What about throwing?

    Is it still going to be the crappiest DPS skill EVAH?

    p.s. who in their right mind thought it would be cool to make this skill so 'other skill' dependant!??! Bush + Parry + Swords to make it decent, or close to on par with other melee skills given its annoying distance issues? Wtf?

  2. It's been mentioned that they'll be looking into it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen anytime soon.
  3. Zalan

    Zalan Crazed Zealot
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    Jul 13, 2005
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    Nerf! has a special foam Soul Glaive in developement.

    The adjustment to Mysticism should be in the next publish. I do believe that Nerf! project will probable be fixing Rising Colosus. & the Devs are going to be redoing the Gargoyle racial abilities.

    Since the Nerf! team(aka Wiki) already took care of Throwing in beta. We can only hope they replace the Foam Soul Glaives with wooden or metal ones in the future publishes.
  4. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    Speaking to Logrus in IRC:

    <Kiminality> Can we has throwing for hoomies? :<
    <Logrus_Mythic> of course, you just need to use this special token thingy to make your human look gargoyle ish
    * Kiminality sniffs
    <Logrus_Mythic> and then your human has throwing :D
    <+Kiminality> But no archery :<
    <Logrus_Mythic> good trade!
    <Kiminality> I actually forgot my question about throwing for the HoC
    <Kiminality> There's all this talk about fixing up mysticism, which I always figured was alright even with needing myst/eval/imbung... What about throwing, where if you're perfect, it's about as good as archery
    <Logrus_Mythic> oh sorry
    <Logrus_Mythic> completely missed that the question was done
    <Kiminality> (it was more a general observation - Throwing makes me a sad panda)
    <Kiminality> Oh?
    <Logrus_Mythic> well if you figure that throwing is about on par with archery
    <Kiminality> Throwing's only really on par with archery if you get the right range
    <Logrus_Mythic> the ranges are just about the same at good levels
    <Logrus_Mythic> but if you cap out strength throwing has a slightly larger range
    <Kiminality> Really? I don't recall reading that
    <Faerunner> Interesting
    <Kiminality> Anyway, I have a +3 throwing SoT, which no one's buying :<
    <Logrus_Mythic> give it to me
    <Faerunner> I forget; are archery/throwing attack speeds governed by dex like fencing/macing/swords?
    <Logrus_Mythic> stamina
    <Logrus_Mythic> i believe
    <Kiminality> It's on Europa :<
    <Logrus_Mythic> i'd have to check the math
    <Faerunner> Stamina is dex, so yes.
    <Logrus_Mythic> but from play (not code) i believe its stamina not dex
    <Logrus_Mythic> you can get dex up to 150
    <Joy> I haven't experimented with throwing yet...I'm just now getting to imbuing
    <Kiminality> I think it is
    <Logrus_Mythic> but stamina you can get up to 200 or so
    <Logrus_Mythic> and stamina level directly affects swing speed
    <Logrus_Mythic> as you'll notice when you get hit you start to swing slower
    <Kiminality> -0.25 for every 30
    <Faerunner> So if you max out your stamina you can get faster hits, but if you max out str you get longer range.
    <Logrus_Mythic> yep
    <Faerunner> Logrus: That's something I hadn't noticed but now that i know I will look for it on my dexxer
    <Faerunner> The game math is something I rarely pay attention to, since I don't pvp or do champs.
    <Logrus_Mythic> if you look at the weapon ranges (I think its posted on stratics )
    <Faerunner> I've seen the ranges on my gargoyle's weapons :D
    <Kiminality> I shall have a peek
    <Logrus_Mythic> the range for the glaive is like 4-10
    <Logrus_Mythic> or soemthing like that
    <Logrus_Mythic> or range 10
    <Logrus_Mythic> but the range is dependent on the char using it
    <Logrus_Mythic> if you equip it on somone with less strength it'll show you taht characters range

    It segued into swing speed, but there's not an overwhelming sense among the dev team that throwing needs love.
    (I also edited out some of the general chatter, but nothing to change the context or meaning of what was said)
  5. Wow. That's disheartening AND scary that the Dev team is that out of touch with what's actually going on in game. Bela Legosi type scary....
  6. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    On possibility is that if the range is greater than archery, then it could allow you to remain out of range of certain AoE attacks.

    Also, that's only one dev, so it might not be indicative. Or he might have been misdirecting.
    But the sense I got was that there's no overall sense of it needing buffing.
    Next time he's in, if I remember/am there, I'll let him know y'all disagree. Not sure he can come here to discuss it, though.
  7. Hildebrand

    Hildebrand Certifiable
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    Oct 12, 2005
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    Very disheartening.
    Many I know are just taking up the skill cause it's new. Then questioning why it sucks, but chalk it up to them thinking it's cause they're not 120. When they hit 120 they will be VERY pissed.
  8. darkblade70

    darkblade70 Guest

    There wasn't anything in the patch notes about fixes to it. It's certainly still buggy (100% miss chances I've been hearing, throw/attach timer reset on every movement, exploitation of distances in PvP, etc.)

    Dev's certainly seem clueless... just as that IRC chat indicated as well.
  9. [JD]

    [JD] Guest

    Honestly I don't think that chat represents to the developer what is wrong with throwing.

    Krim told him it was "about as good as archery", how is the developer "out of touch" when he gets feedback like that? He's being told it works, so what did you expect him to say?

    The thing to have done is to tell him everything which is wrong:

    Crappy racial ability
    Min and max throwing range suck
    Serious lack of good gargoyle usable artifacts
    No faction gargoyle artifacts
    Flying sucks - given the same dex/sta as a human/elf mage you can fly for a lot less time due to sta loss than you can ride a mount for before it is 'exhausted'.

    Then he might have either given reasons for the way things are, or say when it might be looked at...
  10. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    The point I was making was that under perfect circumstances (range etc) throwing is equivalent to archery. As in, to say that you have to work much harder to be as good as archery.
    I wasn't exactly grilling him over it, though.

    Y'all should come in IRC and ambush him if he comes in.
  11. JoO

    JoO Seasoned Veteran
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    Jun 6, 2008
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    yeah Logrus is a super guy. I won't say he deflects sometimes, I will say he is mindful of where you are trying to take him in a conversation. With that being said I am appreciative of the time he spends in the channel and it's the little things like that, that make me keep my subscription active.