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Bannable or Not? Advertising ingame...Devs?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Melissa Rohan, Jul 17, 2009.

  1. Hi All,

    Hearing half and half here... I have a website selling my ingame items for ingame gold. I know according to the terms of service I can't advertise a shop/service that sells for real life cash or other gaming site, etc. My question is... Can i give people the URL at the bank to go peruse my item lists as all the sales are for ingame gold? Does it break the TOS? Any chance of a firm answer from a Developer/EA spokesperson please as I have asked several long term vets and am getting a 50/50 response.


    Thats the site if you want to take a look at it thanks.

  2. DevilsOwn

    DevilsOwn Stratics Legend
    Governor Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Oct 27, 2003
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    urls ingame is a no-no

    as is posting 'for sale for cash' sites on Stratics

    from the KB:

    With the exception of the sale of in-game items for in-game items or services, you may not market, promote or advertise anything, or make any other form of solicitation (including pyramid schemes and chain letters) through the Ultima Online service or Ultima Online web site.
  3. Black Sun

    Black Sun Grand Poobah
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    Mar 19, 2003
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    DevilsOwn pretty much covered it. URL's in game will get you in hot water if you're paged on. No matter what kind of website that URL goes to.
  4. Wallenstein

    Wallenstein Guest

    Well I heard someone got banned in the past for promoting Stratics in-game, so if that's any inclination then I'd avoid mentioning the URL.

    I have a site myself (UOLedger.com) and have never once mentioned the URL in-game because of fear I'll be banned.. it's sad, really, but what can you do? My site makes absolutely no revenue right now so I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Rather than just disallowing the promotion of sites that make money off of UO they likely threw a blanket ban on mentioning any URLs except uo.com and uoherald.com..

    Bottom line: it does violate the Terms of Service to mention a URL in-game, so be safe :)
  5. Zodia

    Zodia Guest

    I looked at your site, and there is no mention of what shard(s) you operate on, at least everywhere I looked.

    I really think you should include that information, just a helpful hint.
  6. Thanks for the quick replies everyone.

    Ok folks, looks like im gonna play it safe and not mention it in game then.

    As for the shard its for the Europa one. I'll get something put on the front page to that effect. i never really thought about it, I usually just advertise on the europa trade boards with it! ;-)

  7. or you can do what all the other sites do.

    I posted once about not letting temp accounts drop books, runes or anything that can be marked with URLs.

    Get trial account. Drop a million books. So what if you get banned.

    Another annoying way the system is abused.
  8. Chrissay_

    Chrissay_ Guest

    The only URLs that you are allowed to use in the game are official EA links and links to the Official Fansite program. So if you linked to http://uo.stratics.com that link should be fine.

    If any player has problems posting a link from a site that is listed as an official fansite please pm me the particular link for me to investigate.

  9. Way to advertise your website lol! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
    Good website btw :p
  10. Beer_Cayse

    Beer_Cayse Guest

    See Chrissay's response above ... sending folks to Stratics via the url does NOT violate the rules. I'll admit, tho - when the rules first came out some folks were at least jailed for a bit.

    As for your site - have you registered it as a fansite? That would make things all legal I believe.
  11. Beer_Cayse

    Beer_Cayse Guest

    nice assortment of stuff, decent pricing as far as I can tell.

    what shard(s)?
  12. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    May 13, 2008
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    Why not tell them to check Europa Stratics Forums for a link to your site?
  13. Thanks for the quick reply Chrissay!

    Good idea , i could tell people to search for my site via stratics...all be legal then.

    Thanks for all the nice comments, I've worked hard on the site and it looks pretty good i think for only a few weeks experience working with websites! I didn't know anything about them till two months ago. I try to keep prices current and am tweaking and updating when i can. Going by mid range luna prices at the moment but i can drop prices a little if need be.

    My current playable shard is Europa... but may be expanding the next few months. Keep watching!

    I never knew about this fansite thing...I'm gonna have to investigate! Can't see where to go to register though.

  14. Chrissay_

    Chrissay_ Guest

  15. Thanks again Chrissay! :thumbsup:

    Sent in my submission to you all there!

  16. Setnaffa

    Setnaffa Certifiable
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    Sep 13, 2004
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    Hi Chrissay.

    Are IM addresses OK in game? I see alot of ICQ numbers on vendors.
  17. Chrissay_

    Chrissay_ Guest

    As far back as I remember ICQ numbers have been in game.
  18. Lady Aalia

    Lady Aalia Atlantic's Finest
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    May 13, 2003
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    I did and so far it has not been added, neather My friends or mine.
    Are there certain requirements we have to meet that I may have missed?
  19. Hi

    Submitted my info a couple of weeks ago. No messages or emails. Just wondering if there were certain requirements for a fansite, or a waiting time? Any more information would be appreciated thanks.

  20. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    As far as im concerned. Farmers of gold and items hurt the game and if its against the TOS i will spend as many hours it takes to stop or prevent such actions. Before anyone asks why ill explain in very short terms. If you are farming an area to make real life cash you are blocking that area from players that are there just to have fun and to entertain themselfs. This game was not designed for you to make real life cash but to entertain people who pay EA. Not you!
  21. kaio

    kaio Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    Dec 2, 2008
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    Please stop trooling for free PR
    You clearly don't understand what a fansite is.
    Might help you out.
  22. Ummm, your rant bit out of place wasn't it?

    Did you even check my site? If so you'll see that i trade only in in game items and gold. I don't hunt much any more (I've had a total of about 8 drops from this Tokuna event) and now concentrate on trading. If you see my other posts you'll see i've recently been trading on other shards to bring back rare and unusual items for the Europa community. What I do is for the love of the game, not to make a quick buck. Ask any of the other major name traders on Europa and they'll tell you i don't make deals for real life cash. My site is done to provide items of unusual interest to the population of Europa (Asian slime cloth, unusual import items, obsidian statues ,etc, and also provide information about the items. Its done for fun, the funds i acquire go to buying bigger and better items for players to purchase.

    So, back on topic ... how about adding me to the fan site list, Chrissay?

  23. Lady_Calina

    Lady_Calina Lore Keeper
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    Oct 21, 2008
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    I think what he's trying to say is that your site isn't a site dedicated to UO as a game, but it's a broker site... which isn't a fansite.
  24. Hemisphere

    Hemisphere Always Present
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Looks like a shopping site to me, like selling for gold ingame, and run by a fan of Ultima Online - so a fansite in that respect.

    It's not a business. All the prices are in GP.

    Considering STRATICS allows sales of items for $ on it's forums, if you're going to take that slant on things then Stratics is worse.

    The only reason I can see for it not being accepted as a fansite (although I see nothing in the fansite program that explicitly says this is not allowed), is that it's a personal site, for just one person, and although it's not a business in the sense that it makes real money, it is an enterprise.

    If it was a trade board where anyone could sell their stuff (and only for gold), then it might be okay (was uo-auction/uo-auction2 ever a listed fansite?), but ultimately the decision is down to EA, and hopefully if it's not allowed, they will give Melissa a fair and detailed reason as to why not.
  25. Mant thanks for the kind words Hemi . I too believe what I do does qualify my site as a fan site. If people want more ULTIMA related stuff, maybe i should post a weekly journal on there detailing my shopping trips and deals that I find. A Merchants guide maybe. I mean, it already has pretty accurate pricing as much as I can tell (they're baed on average Luna pricing), has some info regarding items and usage, provides information about items abilities and pictures of said items. It would take more work but I'm sure i could add other sections for would be merchants and traders, insider tips maybe. I mean theres already a couple of well known sites for the thief class so how about I go ahead and start working on this one for merchants? Hows that sound people?

  26. thelust6

    thelust6 Guest

    I've noticed on Europa there are players (different names after about a week or two) that place books renamed with the url of the site on the floor around Luna bank and the inner rectangular path around the player housing within the walls that advertise two sites in particular, one of them providing a name and icq for a regular spawner in Despise...oh God, I pick them up and trash them, an hour or two later they are there again in the same spots on the floor.
  27. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Feb 27, 2004
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    Just curious.
    May I ask what the rationale is for this ?

    I mean, it is not allowed, ok.

    Question is, why ?

    What is the logic behind wanting that URLs are kept well out of the game ?

  28. pdkc

    pdkc Guest

    They can be anything from shock sites to fraud sites. Better just keep them all off.
  29. Corpsecrank

    Corpsecrank Guest

    The original TOS to the current have always stated that advertising in game for anything not related to the game or for any type of cash profit is illegal and can be cause for terminating your account.
  30. Cogniac

    Cogniac Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran

    Nov 21, 2006
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    Actually, it doesn't. But you might've been away when they made that policy change.
  31. Wallenstein

    Wallenstein Guest

    Referring back to the original link (the OP's personal shop), I think a site more like the old UO-Auction (formerly UO-Auction2) would be the type of 'shop' site they'd take interest in as a fansite. As opposed to someone's personal shop selling personal items, UO-Auction was universal and allowed players from every shard to buy and sell any UO in-game items for UO gold using an eBay-like system.

    If you were to develop a site like that- one that allowed the entire community to buy and sell for in-game gold only- you'd probably have a better shot at becoming a fansite.

    All the best.
  32. Thanks,

    I'm working on a couple of things that will benefit the Europa community at the moment (and maybe other shards later) and they will appear on my site very shortly. Can't say more at the moment but its gonna take a lot of hard work and time to sort out the details and get everything posted and linked in correctly. It may be a couple of days , it may be a couple of weeks , depends on my time constraints really.

    Sorry to be a bit mysterious but don't want to give anything away until details are finalised.

  33. Arrgh

    Arrgh Sage
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Jun 29, 2008
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    Is there anyway that you can get a certain guild (can't mention names on the boards) to please quit frickin dropping their trash books on every shard?? I'm sick of picking them up and selling them.