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Banned for SHOPPING?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Radun, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. Radun

    Radun Guest

    I haven't been banned but I've been reading some threads and I'm wondering something.
    Is it unsafe to buy things?
    There's a few things I need to buy to complete a pvp suit. they're items that would take me forever to get myself. high end items.
    I've read that people have been banned for buying an item that turns out to be duped.

    I've been saving up to finish this suit and now I'm afraid to buy anything.
  2. Mechanic

    Mechanic Guest

    you are not buying 10 val hammers are you? do you have a billion 1mill checks locked down in your house?

    No, I think you are safe.
  3. Sarsmi

    Sarsmi Grand Poobah
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    I'm under the assumption that jeremy will come out on the boards tomorrow to clarify a little bit about the recent bannings. Right now there is mainly just speculation for the causes. Some of the uncertainty stems from the fact that they started to take a hard stance against people who, while not directly involved with duping or exploiting, were benefiting from it in some way (IE fencing duped items, having a bunch of rented vendors selling duped items).

    I really can't believe that they would ban someone for buying a couple of duped hammers, but if you take what people are saying at face value that is the only explaination they can come up with. A couple others have mentioned that they were reporting bugs and got banned...so who knows really what the deal is.

    Not much of an answer, probably the best I can say is wait till Jeremy says what is going on. Better safe than sorry...
  4. LeeHarvey

    LeeHarvey Guest

    Hmm lets think about this....The majority of people that said they themselves have been banned, all mentioned buying multiple hammers or items over the last few months. Now slow it down, these aren't new people to the game. They have generally claimed to have played "forever" if you will, just generalizing a few months. Now these same people who have played the game "forever" have accumulated a great deal of wealth, enough so that they are able to make extravagant purchases; IE a few Valorite hammers a month. They only do this because they have been around long enough to know the true value of things. They wouldnt have bought them if they were outrageously priced. What kind of Noob would do that.

    So anyway these long time experienced players, that know the value of a bargain because they know how long it actually takes to get a Valorite hammer through a BOD and crafting, buy these hammers. Who wouldn't for that price, because its quite obvious its just a fluke when you can these things for cheaper and cheaper every day. There's no way after playing the game for a few years that this could be anything but someone mispricing an overabundance of goods.
    I could go on but the BS of that logic is already to unsavory for me to even bother finishing, I could watch an episode of "COPS" and see less of the "..but..but..It was this other guy!, Im a good guy I swear!!!" attitude.
  5. Lord Kynd

    Lord Kynd Guest

    1st, no
    2nd i did before i bought another castle
    does not in any way shape nor form make me a cheater.
  6. hawkeye_pike

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  7. Strawberry

    Strawberry Guest

    Irl, when I find a garment I like, I buy it in every color; when I find I a good sale on a non-perishable, I stock up on it to the extent of my budget and pantry/closet/attic space. In game, if I find a great deal on something I'll use regularly, I'll buy every copy of it that vendor has, to the extent of my budget and secures. It's absurd that EA has neglected to fix a bug and is now punishing people for being good shoppers. The only reasonable reaction to finding a vendor with half-price anything should be buying it out and re-selling it at a good markup on one's own vendor. A game that stifles reasonable behavior is killing itself. Fix the bug, don't kill the merchants.
  8. Mulch

    Mulch Guest

    Hmm and then people were banned for possessing duped runics they bought.
    But maybe Wilki has/had no idea what he talks about?
  9. packrat

    packrat Guest

    What gets me about all of this is. People got banned for possession of illegal items. But the vendors selling these items are still up and running. Why haven't these vendors been dealt with? Makes me wonder who owns these vendors. Maybe they work for a certain company?
    One vendor sold 10 barbed runic kits yesterday and still has 5 on his vendors. That's 15 in one day, that sounds a little suspicious to me.
  10. Strawberry

    Strawberry Guest

    They're probably scanning houses but not vendors. Maybe this will have a silver lining and lead to an official shard-wide vendor search site.

    Btw, I wonder if they're able to scan logged out characters now. I remember a few years ago there was a horse that was illegal to own (black but not nightmares, I think). The people who had them logged out on them and OSI couldn't find the animals to delete.
  11. It has happen in the past to others that just walk away.

    A very nice young lady left UO and gave the THB chapter on Sonoma an 18x18 that was the LP house. After several years absent she returned to play, not asking for her old house she placed a new one in Malas, and sold off a few of her rares she had.

    Using the gold she got from selling off her stuff she went shopping, now this was long before the burn down houses of Luna, so those bad vendors were still up, and she had not a clue about them, seeing items she needed she paid for them using the gold she got from her selling off her older items.

    After about a week of playing, she had a problem in game at her house, and ask for a GM to help her, after getting the problem fixed she found out her account was banned for having illegal items, I'm not sure of the wording of the email she got as its been over a year since this happen. The only items she had were those brought in Luna.

    Sadly she was total bummed out about this banning and did not even try to fight back, just telling my daughter that she was going back to WoW. So I am very scare of shopping these days for anything I need or want. I don't wish to be ban for buying a piece of armor or an arty just because its a dupe item. I did not dupe it, I would have bought it thinking it was a good item. How are we, the normal players, to know a duped item from a good item?

    If its duped then delete the item but don't ban the little guy, if I have an item that I bought that is dupe I rather have the GM tell me and take from me, then leave me be, as I would be really pissed at the vendor that sold it to me. Bet you I would be camping that vendor to fine the owner of it.
  12. drinkbeerallday

    drinkbeerallday Visitor

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    yes you can be banned for shopping. do not buy anything. they said they are banning people for trading highly illegal items regardless of knowledge about the item's illegality or level of illegality.
  13. blust4

    blust4 Guest

    In other words, can transfer token be duped?

    I know in the past, the device team have said they only banned people having three of the same duplicate items. That is why every account of mine only holds 2 valorite hammers and 2 verite hammers at a time. When I used one up, then I went to buy another. (Barbed kits are not in the same category since I can get more than 3 barbed kits at the same time by myself. Just keep turning cloth BODs and buy the small BODs needed from other ppl. I have always kept 20+ barbed kits in my inventory, most from buying from others, without any trouble. I have a vendor selling high end leather armors. That is the draw of my vendor house. I have to kept burning barbed kits, otherwise my customers will stop coming and buying other stuffs.)

    Back to my question, there are lots of transfer tokens on sale at Luna vendors now. My question is that if the transfer tokens could be duped. If the answer is yes, I have to restrain myself not to buy them even the price is low compared to EA store because the same rule will apply that you can't hold more than 2 of the same item.
  14. Sarphus

    Sarphus Guest

    I would say it's highly likely xfer tokens on vendors right now are either dupes or the products of fraud.

    I wouldn't buy em.
  15. Just wanted to share my story. My account has been terminated. Why? Because I bought something that was "illegal". Do I know what that is? No. I do know that I have never bought a val/vel hammer or barbed runic kit. What did I buy? Heritage tokens, cloaks of corruption, pendant of the magi, boomstick, and some other things. EA has not informed me of what was a dubbed item. So, I am terminated cuz I went shopping (in Luna and outside of Luna).
    To me, and this is my thoughts, EA is punishing the shoppers. Does it state in the ToS that it is illegal to shop? No, not that I am aware of. If EA has issues with dupped items, why not just delete the dubbed items? Why take the accounts of many that have no idea (some would say that price is an indicator, too high or too low, but in reality, how are we really supposed to know?) that an item was dubbed? If EA would have just taken the dubbed items, I can understand that and would say, "Well that sucks that I spent money on that, and it's now gone." But to terminate my account because I really had absolutely no way to know that an item was dupped? I know that others are in my boat. I am aware that some people will say ,"Well, you are guilty just for buying, so good ridance." To those people I would like to say this, you are not safe either. You may think that you are doing everything that you are supposed to do, you may feel that you never have done anything wrong, but trust me on this, you too could be terminated for something you are unaware of. And then you will know the feeling of, "What did I do to deserve this?" and then you just might get the response from EA of, "We will no longer address this issue with you."
    In my opinion, no one is safe from EA's whims. If dubbing has been a problem for so long, and they are aware that it is a continual problem and they have not fixed the problem, then why are they punishing people, when they themselves cannot protect us from dubbers? Would I intentionally purchase something dubbed? HECK NO! I ENJOY THE GAME TOO MUCH! I really have enjoyed playing the game; I have met some very remarkable people that honestly, have brought so many smiles to my face when I enteract with them. I have laughed so hard that I have cried! I will miss that. My friends- that is what I will miss the most.
    So, to sum it up, EA cannot stop the dubbing. They cannot identify items that are dubbed in enough time to prevent people from buying them (here's a thought- if an item that is put on a vendor has insurance, and that vendor will not except insured items, why cannot the same be done for dubbed items? Auto delete something that is dubbed when it is put on a vendor? To me, it's a good idea; is it doable? I don't know, I have no clue about programming).
    Am I angery? No. I am very hurt. Very sad. I have lost my connection with people that I have grown to care about. I have lost a way to hang with people that I would never be able to hang with in real life (because of the distance between us). And what wrong did I do? I bought something.
    To EA- thank you for allowing me to met some great people. But, you are so in the wrong to punish people that have absolutely no real way to identify a dubbed item. You, EA, have allowed this problem of dubbing to continue. It is your game. You can fix the real problem- the dubbers. But instead, you want to punish people that have no way of knowing if an item is dubbed.
  16. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Grand Inquisitor
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    That's why every account of mine only holds 2 valorite hammers? Umm, go away please...
  17. blust4

    blust4 Guest

    I think it is the latter. People use the stolen credit cards to buy transfer tokens from EA stores then sell those tokens at Luna vendors. Since they have little costs (using stolen credit cards!), they can sell the tokens below the dollar value of the token. If this is the case, I think it is OK to buy them since they are not duped.
  18. blust4

    blust4 Guest

    They are so cheap at Luna vendors now. If there is no rule, I will buy 100 of them.
  19. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Grand Inquisitor
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    Hate to break it to you blust4, but you're the exact type of player that UO could do without, and apparently you don't even know it..
  20. Last time I checked, people weren't duping cans of chili and refried beans, then sneaking them onto store shelves. The fact that there are dupers in UO is known, and anything that is half price from the norm should be looked at with suspicion.
  21. Cheapest I see are 14m...
  22. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Grand Inquisitor
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    Damn you Connor, how dare you make a posting that I can't find a single thing wrong with...you scoundrel...
  23. Storm

    Storm UO Forum Moderator
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    I agree totaly
  24. Radun

    Radun Guest

    but what if the item duped isnt as rare as a val hammer?
    and what if the item duped is being sold at a normal price?
    then the buyer has no indication that the item is suspicious.
    I'm assuming that the reason it's 'highly illegal' is that it's duped, not just because of the supposed rarity.
  25. Theo_GL

    Theo_GL Grand Poobah
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    Thats a bunch of BS Connor. You yourself admit to selling things that are cheaper than the norm in UO. Should everyone avoid your vendors?

    Once again you are not making sense.
  26. I don't sell them for half the going price. I damn sure wouldn't sell a runic hammer that has a market price of 50mil at half that. I'd mark it at 49mil not 15, and I damn sure wouldn't be able to restock it 100 times after the first one sold either.

    Geez, get real.
  27. Lord Kynd

    Lord Kynd Guest

    but if they stole it , and you buy it
    then in essance your stealing it.
    they just worked for you.
  28. Lord Kynd

    Lord Kynd Guest

    is it safe to buy anything anymore ?
    thats why i go out and earn things for myself.
    alot safer that way
  29. blust4

    blust4 Guest

    When EA store has someone buy 500 transfer tokens using one same credit card, they have a good idea what's going on.

    If EA is OK with it, I am OK with it.
  30. FarausKarzak

    FarausKarzak Guest

    I understand ya my friend. Im startin to beleive they really want the game to close down.

    Well in fact, most people dont get it, the only thing they can think about is: I didnt get banned, yipee.

    You all gonna get it someday =)

    As unfair it was to many of us, it will happen again and again.

    Saw it more than twice eh?

    So we all got the message that we got multitude of highly illegal items in our possessions. they wont take timw to tell us what. they dont give a flying f***

    I wish they all get on federal assistance. pretty lame.
  31. classical

    classical Guest

    it still falls back if they cant keep the items out of the game people shouldnt be held responseable for them being in there possesion. it not are fualt they cant seems to do this after 10ysplus you think they learn to write better programs that address the problem. i myself had a account taking as well, shoped to fill my vendors got hit for illegal items. they may own it but where the ones the pay your paychecks in such. i dont support any illegal program being used at all but you tell us illegal items when are you going to stop them or is the better qestion can you even stop them and at this point knowing you havent in 10yrs i dont think you will it will always be around am i upset anymore naw i cancel every account we had to this game and been spreading the word of it in my others games so you know what your standard letter sucks your wrong in some cases and you know it but as long as you players continue to play n pay they'll continue to do this anytime they choose to so enjoy wasting your money and sweat being termanated the minute you spend 1 piece of gold for anything off any vendor in this game because the cant promise it ever going to go away as far as my warning doesnt bother me as many have stated about the same thing i have were fed up and you plain can handle it plain n simple

    the 1 and only whispers to great lakes all other after me can not hold that title with this see ya grom cant wait for you to get off work in go to vanguard where this stuff isnt tolerated at all
  32. Spree

    Spree Babbling Loonie
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    I have a transfer token sitting in my house from one of the upgrades. I have no use for it since they dont allow transfers to or from Siege. :lick:
  33. Mitzlplik_SP

    Mitzlplik_SP Guest

    I`m glad I passed on buying them barbed runics.

    I admit,I did think about burning a couple kits to try to get my barbed luck/lrc/lmc peices like a few guildies did but I decided not to. I have always opposed duping/cheating/scripting,etc and voiced it so I would never support the sale of something I imagined could be a dupe. IMO if more peaple refused to buy duped items,dupers wouldn`t have a market for their wares.Maybe this is EA`s lil way of saying the same thing.... :eek:snap:

    IMO Your fine shopping,just think before ya buy.Even a noob should know that sumthing as hard to get as a Val hammer should not be for sale by the bag full.
  34. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
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    I am going to merge this thread with the other shopping thread in hopes of keeping the discussions relevent yet contained.
  35. Radun

    Radun Guest

    but i'm sure if there's a dupe bug out there, it's not just val hammers being duped... surely there are fairly common items being duped also. like you said, barbed sewing kits.

    bkits aren't that hard to get. how are we supposed to know the difference between a duped kit and a legit kit, when they're being sold for the same price?
  36. gjohnson5

    gjohnson5 Guest

    stop duping
  37. Poo

    Poo The Grandest of the PooBah’s
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    any item you could desire could be duped.

    if you want it, im sure dupers have thought that someone might want it and have duped them so they could sell them.
  38. Jeremy alluded to number beyond what a person could get through normally game play.

    Im 50% less paranoid.

    The problem that is hard is... I could afford 5 verite hammers at 20 or 25 million. Lots of players can. The verite at 25 million is about fair. Lots of us could buy 20 barbed runic kits at 2 to 2.5 million.

    Buying is normal game play. Im worred about quantity threshold. Im just going to lay low on any purchases like that.

    Im focusing on the game. Buying blackrock. Gems for SA. Assuming new recipes. Pawning off my tickets and trade in items. Socking away shirts from the trade ins. And doing other merchant stuff that is in the dupe realm. I do want to get same runic for thought of future Stygain Abyss arms and armor but Ill use my aggy's and try to buy gold hammers for now.
  39. Radun

    Radun Guest

    so if i bought an orni, folded steel glasses, and an aof... would I be in the clear?

    how long until I can buy things without being paranoid?

    in the past if you bought an item that turned out to be illegal, the worst thing you had to look forward to was having the item removed in a patch.

    now it seems like you're risking your account every time you upgrade your characters.....

  40. Ya that scares me to no end, went shopping the other day in Luna, I saw some nice bargains, but did not buy because of this thread and others I have readed here. I'm still worried about stuff I brought long ago, was it duped? I paid a arm and a leg for some items, and would be really pissed to learn they were duped items. Will my account get ban if I call a GM and he see something on my char that was duped? How am I to protect myself? I don't have the gold to replace those items we got back then and I hate to think I have to farm all the gold to buy new.
  41. THP

    THP Always Present
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    Owning a ''Glacial Spell Books'' may get ya banned iam sure!!!

    I used to see a couple of players on Europa parading there glacial spell book at the wbb/ and luna bank.....

    Well !!!! im pretty sure this is an OBVOIUS duped item so i stayed well clear of em ...even though there was one for sale in Luna for ages at about 25m!!

    KInda anyone with one of these iam pretty sure will have been banned!! and lets be frank dont moan about it if u did...it was a 100% duped item that u aquired by duping or buying knowing full well it was a duped item u were buying!! [end of story]

  42. I don't want one of those books, I am just worried about Doom arties we bought a yr or two ago. We saved for ages to purchase those items and when we saw prices dropped in luna we jumped to buy. Did we hit a really great deal or buy a dupe item? That is what scares me to no end, I have no way to know.

    Last week I got the jackal collar in Doom, prices around Luna had it for 7 mil, I sold it for 5 mil on my Luna vendor, and was happy to get the gold, now is that buyer worring that the collar he purchased off my vendor a dupe item because the price was lower or just happy he got a great deal?
  43. Plucky Duck

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    shop as those that were banned should have. Smartly, Those that got banned for shopping as has been pointed out in many posts are still brushing over the fact they did something stupid. They bought something that is widely known to have been a massed duped item and at really low prices which screams there dupes. I think instead of trying to get the devs to do the impossible (check every vendor house everytime some tool pages them about a possible dupe they want to buy) use youre own brain and dont be stupid. If it looks to good to be true it is. If you do buy it anyway suck it up and know youre risking youre account in the process. Now especialy since EA and the current team has made it glaringly clear there taking a hardline on dupes (you shouldnt even mention the word dupe ingame or you might be paged on and youre account banned for it as a freind of mine was).

    So stop asking the devs for a dupe detector its not going to happen and dont clog up a already hideuose gm que with a dumb question they wont answer when all you have to do is use youre own brain.

    I know its allot more dramatic (the over dramatic kind) to come to the boards and point out the terror of shopping now that they have banned accounts for shopping (stupidly shopping in my opinion). :danceb:
  44. Pax

    Pax Guest

    50 MIL!!!!!!! Good GRIEF!!!!!! Why?!?!?

    Be well - Pax
  45. Pax

    Pax Guest

    Really a great point! Definitely a reason to worry, whether you're a buyer OR seller.

    Be well - Pax