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Bard Tamer vs. Necro Tamer

Discussion in 'UO Tamer' started by Scarab, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. Scarab

    Scarab Guest

    I've had a mage tamer since ... well, I can't remember how long. I know I GM'd Taming long before powerscrolls. anyhow. I took a long hiatus from UO. came back about a year ago. last couple months I've really started to get sucked back in. so after doing some reading, I've decided that I want to revise my build. I happen to have Hide/Stealth on him now (from my thief), but that was a temporary switch to help find a good GD

    sans jewels (and before I grabbed stealth), my build is something to the effect of:

    110 Taming
    110 Lore
    100 Vet
    100 Magery
    100 Eval
    100 Med
    100 Resist

    I've never dabbled in bard skills, but provoke and discord look very appealing. by the same token, I've read much about the effectiveness of the necro tamer. so, what are the pros and cons? help me decide. I am primarily interested in high end PvM ... solo'ing peerlesses and Doom (if possible). don't care so much about PvP, but being viable would be an added bonus. thanks in advance!
  2. Wenchkin

    Wenchkin Babbling Loonie
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    May 16, 2008
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    Make both :D

    The most obvious disadvantage with a bard is the training time and if you go disco/voke tamer it's hard to do without skill items. I found it easier to throw together my necro tamer. But then, I wouldn't drop my bard for anything.

    The only real downside I found with my necro tamer is the negative karma induced pixie ganks etc. I have positive karma tamers so I just leave my necro at home it's an issue, but that may affect where you can go with your tamer. You can of course work up the karma beforehand, but it's worth thinking about if that's your only tamer.

    Both templates are great fun when you figure them out, I could never choose one over the other myself. But another thing I'm thinking about was the skills you have already. I don't like killing templates entirely so I'd suggest necro tamer simply because I think it would be the easiest adaption from your current template. And quickest. Then if you didn't like it, you could look at making a bard. And there's always test centre!

    I'm hoping the more experienced peerless hunters can give you some pointers too, I'm pretty clueless in that respect ;)

  3. Farsight

    Farsight Crazed Zealot
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    May 12, 2008
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    Both have advantages and disadvantages.

    From a peerless/Doom standpoint, the necro tamer will never run out of mana thanks to forms and proper use of spells. The disco/provoke tamer kills high end things much more quickly.

    From a spawning/mid level standpoint, the necro tamer can handle low end spawns much more quickly than the bard tamer.

    So I suppose if I had to choose, I'd go necro-tamer.

    Myself, I like my mage-tamer.
  4. RichDC

    RichDC Guest

    See the issue ive always had with necro tamers is that there awesome in given situations(champs) but to solo peerless i dont know how you could fit that in and maintain eval, med and vet (for certain peerless...grizz and doom i would say) vet is essential. youll never be able to heal the damge they take from magery alone (even with 2/6casting and unlimited damage) the sheer damage output they do for the solo runs is phenominal!

    I just cant see a necro tamer actually being effective at solo doom or solo peerless, champs however there is no faster template tbh.

    Id have to agree with wench, make both one for champs one for peerless...you will need vet as i said so stick with your current temp(you could drop resist for spellweaving another nice healing aid and finisher.), then for you champ necrotamer maybe drop vet and med/resist in wraith form you should leech enough mana to not need med.
  5. Scarab

    Scarab Guest

    so am I correct then that the true strength of Necro lies in Wraith form + wither? if that is true, then how does Necro help in a drawn out fight with a peerless? sure, there's the surrounding spawn to begin with and many peerless call in reinforcements, but that's nothing that you couldn't take care of with area peace and some provoking, right?

    also, Wenchy: even if I gut this template, the skills won't go to waste. I'm thinking of making a Nox Mage for PvP, so I'm gonna move over anything on the this template that I'm not gonna use
  6. Turdnugget

    Turdnugget Guest

    For long drawn out peerless fights, a good suit with MR and lich form takes care of that. As long as you've got a good GD/cu sidhe that can tank then there's no need to worry.

    If you go the cu route, you can always cast a shadow wisp as well to help restore mana.

    It also depends on which necro/tamer template you go with. Some go with med, some with EI... just depends on how you like to play and what you are comfortable with.
  7. mutau

    mutau Guest

    I'm looking at the template, and i'm wondering, how can you fit necro in? i've been thinking of doing that as well, but i don't know how high to take necro and ss and what skills to drop to accomodate the necro set.
  8. Scarab

    Scarab Guest

    well, I think that I would drop Resisting and Meditation. Resisting is really only useful in PvP and Wraith form makes up for lack of Med. but that's just my uneducated opinion