Before spending millions on a new, dumb client that does not even feel like our game, maybe they should have asked us, the ten year loyal vets, what WE wanted.. Can you even use mouse-wheel/keys? I am going to try it, just so i can say I gave it an honest try, just so i can continue bashing it, IN the event it is what I think it is = epic failure. I'll let you all know what I think. Those of you who know me, know I am not a biased man, and I WILL give it an honest shot. Who knows, maybe I'll love it? Coming from the only guy who gave gargoyles an honest chance in fel, you know I will tell it how it is.. Here is my latest rant on the abomination that is SA client: http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=1506573#post1506573 edit: downloading, and installing now.. Who knows, maybe my wife will even like it?? The woman who refuses to play UO because the female toons are 'ugly', thus, the woman who has dubbed my beloved game 'The Oregon Trail'