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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Dante of Magincia, Feb 27, 2013.
Gargish Throwers seem to be the template of choice amongst Rare Collectors. What's the secret?
And why do almost all the shard give nice items for the events, but why do the Europa EMs never give any trinkets? I don't play on other shards and I never get anything. I don't even want to sell it, I just want something cool to display in my house
According to the new publish notes, Gargoyles now have an innate ability to loot event items from corpses. I think it said it was 2% which isn't much, but paired with the ability to fly, it probably makes them more appealing.
They are very easy/fast to train.
My guess would be fast speed while flying, ranged attack that doesn´t require ammo and good damage output.
Second-hand flap is annoying. Flapping should be done in the privacy of one's own home, not in public.
Gargoyles have a better hit chance..... and at an EM event when the mob pretty much stands still because it can't move with 14 dragons on it the Gargoyle throwers do the most damage being able to hit far faster than archers and they can hit harder and fail less because of the added hit chance ...... so they almost always have a 10X better chance at being the "high" damager not to mention with their mystic spell to heal others nearby they also get the healing bonus... so yes they are almost guaranteed to get a drop over any other template. There is also something about the wraith form not sure what it is but anyway I'm extremely fed up with the drops at EM events.
If it weren't for the RP aspect of them I'd have quit attending them shortly after the change to drops went into place. At least before when it was random I had a snowballs chance in Hades of getting a drop and often did since I always attend... but I haven't seen a drop in so long it's not even funny and I'm not about to pay 100's of millions in gold for an item... So instead the items are shipped off to the highest bidder and often transported off shard.
IMO I still think that drops should be NON Transferable. Shouldn't be able to leave the shard they are given on. And it should go back to random drops. I did almost 7k in damage to the mob last night but still didn't even get looting rights. I also think that everyone who attacked the mob ought to get a drop for participating.
i think it is hilarious that the biggest money maker in the game is attending pvm "em" events in the hopes of some one a kind ******** you can sell for 600mil.
But not all of us have that motive, and a lot of my friends and guildmates NEVER sell the event items. We and Shakkara share the same emotion, we just like them to put in our houses as deco and enjoy. not all players are greedy and sell them for megamillions.
MalagAste hit it directly on the head, the items should not be able to be transferred, this would stop a very large percentage of what's happening now.
And definitely, I don't give a hoot how many times the powers that be say the loot system is working correctly, it's not.
Gargoyles have access to the best damage and arguably the best healing in the game. And you can run them on the same template. Plus you get a pet that is just as good as a greater dragon if not better.
Well at least your EM events actually get drops.
Even tho we have a new EM on Oceania, so far there has been NOTHING dropped off any mob and no item worth selling to anyone that I have heard of. Any reward has been someone's name stuck on some item in the EM reward house or absolutely NOTHING at all.
I have pretty much given up attending, especially as the ONLY time stuff is run is a Saturday night, when I am generally busy.
I don't count the generic shard wide things such as valentine, xmas items etc as basically they are nothing special to the shard.
I find it really disappointing that some shards get heaps of stuff, with items, and others like ours get pretty much nothing in the way of drops/rewards. Given we all pay the same, it would be nice if we all received the SAME instead of the totally mismanaged and unfair way the EM program is operated across shards. And by the 'same' I don't mean the same items, but the 'same' drops. If Atlantic gets 10 events a year that drop items, then all shards should get the same.
Some time ago, the decision was made to make event items (for the most part) drop into your pack. This was done as far as I can tell due to much crying about nooby characters looting unlooted corpses and coming up with EM items that were missed by the participants. So, the change was made to make EM items (for the most part) drop into your pack. The way they decided to make this work was based on highest damage / amount of damage healed. This was all done in order to be more fair to everyone, since it seemed everyone was crying that the previous methods were unfair. This gave way to certain templates having a distinct advantage, and made other templates obsolete in terms of being viable for a prize at an EM event. Once regular event goers figured this out, they revamped or remade their event going chars on all shards, hence the influx of flapping poo flingers on every shard, at every event. This change (because healing was factored in to "rights") also broke looting rights as a whole, even in NON-EM content scenarios. This has been reported over and over again, and to this day remains either undressed, or a figment of the imagination of the folks who encounter it. So now the chances to get an EM item at an event are 100% fair, if you run a garg thrower template!
Don't forget Gargoyle WRAITH thrower. Anyway it's extremely borked and has been since the change was put in place. Fair it is FAR from. If you want to RP with the Events that is.... unless you RP as a Gargoyle Wraith thrower. I even tried running on a tamer.... that stunk too.... but then my tamer isn't a spellweaver.... But yeah I don't know.... It's pretty lame and if it weren't for the fact that I support the RP aspect of the game as much as I can I wouldn't attend the events anymore since they are honestly populated by some of the worse most rude people in game.
Yes you need certain templates to compete for event items. Been that way for almost a year now. You can make those templates if you want to compete. If you just attend for fun or to RP that's your choice too but you do know what it takes to compete for items. Maybe they can mix in some participation items to please everyone!
I have pretty much stopped attending the EM events entirely, which is a huge change from hitting every one on every shard every time one was held. Make no mistake, I have profited from selling items (though I keep way more than I have sold), however, with this recent change, you have a really new and much more ugly dynamic. Thanks for making everything "Fair"!
They pack the most bang for the buck. Most bang = nice EM drops which then = big gold pile.
Welcome to the new FAIR. Thanks for the pack drops (and huge gangs of flying rats).
Spell weaving tamers are just as good and a lot of times better than gargoyles... But people will always find something to complain about rather then adapting to a game that changes with each and every publish.
its all in the ..''secret handshake''...my friend...you will never get in...ive tried
Sadly....this is the current state of UO
This is hillarious, we have the RP community on GL who basically treated everyone like complete and total **** so much that 80% of the RP community went to ATL.
Now these same RPers cried up a storm to get the drops changed because they couldnt get anything.
But thats not good enough, let the tears flow, now because there templates are garbage thats our problem too.
Does anyone think there would be even 10% of the community would show up without these drops? Oh yea lets completly kill the game because you cant get anything.
Have you even tried to make a competitive template? No.
Crybabys, in a world of never having to step into fel you make it so your utterly useless opinions have to be heard one way or another.
Spend 10 mins with the ATL RP community and you will know why no one gives 2 **** about the GL one.
BTW i could care less of your RP, it doesnt enhance my event, and if you leave or ALL OF YOU LEAVE, we will still come probably more of us, because truly you are the trolls.
This! Before the drops I had the same chance like everyone else had. I got 2-3 occasional drops over the years and was quite happy. Since that: Nothing. And I am not willing to play a completely new designed char only to get a chance for these drops. So, I decided not to join EM-events anymore, as they are incredibly boring (most of the time):
Listen to a story, run through a gate, kill the first level mobs (which don´t drop anything), kill the boss and hope for a drop. No offense, but I am out...
I remember events with cool stories and nice locations and extremely balanced bosses. Where you could get the usual peerless drops even from the first mobs. And even a total noob had a chance to loot and get a nice item.
Now it´s a business of high-end damage-dealers. And you can predict who will get the drop: Always the same 5-10 people...
Don´t misunderstand me: I am not complaining. There are many other nice things you can do on a Sunday Night. MANY! But last 4-5 events were so dull and so annoying that I decided not to join anymore. So, everybody: Have fun and good luck!
So what you have to make a new char and try some new skills... suck it up. Uo's just like the real world in that if you want to get ahead you have to be competitive. Who knows you might even have a good time. If everyone got a item just for showing up they wouldnt be half as special, just like holiday items. All this said I dont think a vending machine every once and awhile would hurt anything, I havn't seen one it a long time.
Nah, you misunderstood me. I already have a SW-tamer... It´s not about giving everybody an item. I want it RNG-based again, not "Top-Damager"-based. As long as EM-Events work this way, I will boycott them...
...and of course, as long as the script for these events will the the same... That´s not my imagination of a nice, funny and relaxing Sunday-evening...
These are actually a very bad way to make money as the odds are against you.
Personally I'd rather chain something with guaranteed drops, like Fel Champ Spawns. But alas that'd mean having to play with (and yes, fighting against people counts as playing with them, given that this is a game) the same people on GL who consistently grief the EM events.
When there are people that have made over 50 bill on event items, i have a hard time believeing the odds are against people. I've never been to an EM event that wasn't a pvp event or something that sounded exciting when i was on. I know on paper the odds are way against you, but why is it some of the same people always end up with an item to sell?
Some people are adept at the buy/sell game. You get one item, sell it, get another item at under what you think you can sell it for, then sell it.
If one is patient and is willing to not have the money in the bank for an extended period, almost anything that has spawned in low-enough numbers can fetch high fees.
I, for one, am not willing to take that kind of risk, and will sell low just to move the merchandise. When I do show such patience, however, I'm often rewarded. The value of rare items seems to increase over time when people either forget how they spawned
Some people are merely lucky in terms of their drops. (Also see post I'm about to make, time and circumstances permitting.)
What I mean by odds being against you, as I suspect you know full well (once again I suspect I'm responding to a troll attempt as though it were a legitimate inquiry--just like I did yesterday), are that most events don't have an item at all. Then there might be like 15 to 20 drops out of a crowd of 100 to 150, and this is on Great Lakes. (I can imagine the odds are even longer on Atlantic, or on the famously-crowded Japanese shards.) Lately, when numbers have been provided by the EMs, it's been about 15.
So, most events, something won't drop at all. If something does drop, your chances are like 1 in 10 or so. I figure all told that means your chances are like 1 in 40 at any given event (taking into account both that most events don't have drops and that the odds are any given person won't get one).
I haven't gotten one in quite awhile. I would not mind this were it not for the behavior of those who get drops more often, interfering with my ability to follow and to others convey the plot -- the real reason to attend these events.
There was a quite cool event on DF last year, organized by Frarc, I think. It was about a Dark Angel and about Jigsaw who was her servant. There had been strange messages in General Chat and we had to fight monsters which spawned from the void. The story was cool and at the end we had to deal with this dark angel. You could talk to her and to her servants. A true RP-event. The complexity was high and there were minor rewards for many players. The bosses were copied from the Abyss, for example... Once we had to fight a monster that acted like the slasher - and player got typical slasher drops... I don´t remember everything, but there was a dark and mysterious storyline, player-towns had been invaded by Daemons... The evil angel and her servant were real players, not NPCs... It was different and motivating and really cool... I loved it and I couldn´t wait til next weekend when we had to liberate another spot from evil. And we had to find out who was behind the troubles...
I liked it.
Last EM-event was nice, too: You should run through dungeons and steal large paintings. I had no luck, but that was kinda entertaining.
But all these other mass-monster-bashing-events with rewards only for top-damagers... No, thanks
As I always say: RNG rulez! Nothing better than RNG!
Gargoyle Throwers are common at events for the same reason that tamers are: They appear to be efficient ways of manipulating the new system to get the drops. Dragon tamers have the ability to both do damage and heal, and gargoyle throwers can do massive damage.
However, dragon tamers and gargoyle throwers are also the most-efficient ways to grief EM events just by standing there. A dragon can easily tower over an EM-controlled NPC, thus making it difficult to follow the plot, and gargoyles flying constantly appear to be associated with lag, thus making an already-bad problem rather worse. Just to drive home the point, a famous griefing guild on Great Lakes (and I call them that because based on their behavior they are clearly committed to griefing the way some guilds are to, for example, doing champ spawns, PvP, or fighting Peerlesses) has taken to showing up to the EM events polymorphed into trolls, with their greater dragons in tow, while making sexual comments and screaming that the event is too slow.
They could not make their intent more clear. Not only are they there solely for the potential drop, but they actively are opposed to the real reason to attend these events: The plot.
At the EM events on GL I often have taken the role of attempting to coordinate people through what otherwise can be complex events. (As in: "Ok everyone, he said to go to this location, so let's go.") I have discovered, though, that I can't do that anymore. So I'm going to in effect be forced to bring an alt character to the events and just kind of stand there. It'll be depressing but at least I won't have the additional stress of trying to participate more-actively.
Those who know me can appreciate how bad things have gotten when I've gotten to that point.
Its interesting how the great lakes RP community tries to spin this massive picture of how guilds are disrupting events.
Perhaps the people being trolled are them because honestly they have trolled so many others in the past.
This isnt about the events, the events run smoothly, this is about a group of RPrs that have treated everyone horribly and are getting it back in tow.
what goes around comes around
Budman, not quite sure what your issue is with the GL RP community, but truly, you're making most of it up. Yes, there were certainly divides in the community because certain people couldn't get along, but that reflects individual issues, not the mindset of the entire community. I wouldn't expect anyone on Atlantic to care about GL's RP community anymore than anyone on GL gives two thoughts about the Atlantic RP community. Every shard has their own unique community, as it should be. Did some from GL migrate to Atlantic? Sure. They've also gone from GL to Legends, GL to Origin, GL to Catskills, GL to Chesapeake (no... maybe I made that one up). And people from other shards have come to GL. Big deal.
My personal mindset with RP has always been to be as inclusive as possible. I know there will be a few people out there who will claim otherwise, but then, they had the unique distinction of not being able to separate in-character actions regarding "enemies" versus out-of-character actions. When that line doesn't exist in one's mind, it's hard to dilineate between the two.
As for the grief at events... yes, I suspect you're just trolling for the sake of attention on this subject, but yeah, there's rampant grief going on. Some weeks it's just blatant casting of Vas An Nox in order to lag and crash as many clients as possible, some weeks, like this past one, it's people refusing to do what the EM asks. At any rate, it happens.
Items... yeah, they're a bit contentious. I think the looting system is borked, but then, I managed to get an item Tuesday night, much to my surprise. I suspect that what many perceive as broken in that regard is simply random distribution. However, there is definitely something amiss when you can pound endlessly into a mob and not get looting rights at all. I'm still trying to figure out what works and doesn't work as far as magery goes, but at events, many times I can't loot. Disappointing, yeah, but then, to me it's story over loot anyway, so whatever. Could they make loot distribution and looting rights better? Absolutely. But I'm not all worked up about it one way or another.
We had a similar discussion on Origin boards. As I stated there...the character I use for all EM Events is my mage tamer. She has the same crappy rune beetle, first one she ever tamed herself...the same crappy gear (I have yet to GM Imbuing and still use gloves of the sun!) I have not changed a single thing about her and ever since they changed the way EM Event items dropped, I have gotten 5? Before the changes I had no chance...but since I throw my crappy pet in there, throw fire balls at it and heal whoever is being damaged, I have a chance now. More times then not I don't get anything...which isn't the reason I go to events anyway...but when I do get them it's a pleasant surprise and shows that everyone has a chance now. It's not the *Highest damager* anymore...it goes randomly to the people that either A. Hit it...with spells/weapons or pets...B. Heal the people hitting it...and C. Heal the pets hitting it...damage does not factor in at all..if it did I wouldn't have gotten anything! As long as you hit it or heal those hitting it you have a chance.
You are wrong. The DEV team themselves made the change and stated that items go to top damagers/healers. You may not have realised it if you got a drop, but somewhere along the line you got high damager/healer. There has never been a statement from the DEVS as of yet saying this has changed.
well, im running an archer template that can do more damage than garg right now, so thowers arent the only best ranged chars out there
I believe the actual statement from the team was that it was random among the top damages/healers. I have never heard a definition of who is included in "top". What I am certain of is it includes more than the top 10 people if there are 10 drops. Is it enough to secure looting rights to be considered, I don't know... But I have seen plenty of instances when damage vs damage on two characters who do no healing, the lower damage player gets the drop while the higher damage player did not. I'm sure both were in the "top" tier, but within that tier it is still random.
No, no they are not. A Gargoyle thrower will out damage a spell weaving tamer any day of the week (unless you want to do a corner case like with frenzied ostards). I have both, I play both. It's not even close.
I would say the only time a tamer outdoes a thrower are mobs with extremely high resists across the boards who also has a high damage output area effect. In such cases the damage taken + damage healed for the tamer will often exceed the damage dealt by the thrower.
AI ignores armor.
These events are done wrong in so many ways.
1. Items given away are worth far more then anything else in the game which in game items took a lot of time and effort to code.
This undermines the bases of the game. (could be done with extreme rare drops in spawns and such. with in the game mechanics. The shovels was a step in the right direction)
2. In order to get these items you must do max heal and damage which is based around barding now. It was tamer spell weavers.
In order to get the most valuable items in the game we have to be there at specific times and with the most optimum characters possible.
Which again undermines the concept of an ongoing continues on line game. We shouldn't have schedules for normal game play. I can understand it for extremely rare events.
But this i way to common.
3. Grouping large masses together creates lag. When we did our player event we had a sizable number but spread it out over an area of an marble Island or Mith Island.
lowers the demand on servers and bodies can be found. Yes it was planned that way. Our EM told us to make it in a small area which I knew was wrong and I notice this mistake is common with EM's.
4. The value of these items has created a group that is very greedy. It is not a friendly environment people rarely help each other unless the mechanicsrequire it such as healing.
Don't get me wrong there are still a lot of friendly people if there wasn't I wouldn't be playing at all.
All I a saying is spread these items over a wider area using the game mechanic not just by a select few.
In general, I agree with you, but disagree on a couple of points.
Tamer Weavers. While they have pets that can deal significant damage, over time an ABC archer will out damage them. The handful of WoDs will not make up for the damage the archer is putting out with spamming AI from a composite bow. An archer tamer would deal even more.
I wish the events had stayed like they were when the EM program was restarted, no items- period. It was supposed to be about story and player interaction and community. Not to see who can win the RNG loot lottery.
Budman, you mad bro? The great majority of what you are spewing here is bs. I play GL as my home shard. I attend the EM events when RL allows, though I have missed the last three weeks because this is a very busy time of the year for me in RL. I also have the privilege of doing the events in vent with a large group of RP'ers. I am not an RP'er, and they all would/will tell you that, though I like to hang out with them because they're a good and fun group of folks. I also learn a lot about UO history from them, as that community does a fantastic job of "keeping the candle lit" so to speak. They neither judge me based on being a non-RP'er nor the fact that I use a garg.
Facts. On GL there is a large group of people (mostly one guild) who THRIVE on griefing the events. Gargoyles and GDrags are a huge nuisance as they DO get in the way. With that said, I play a garg thrower for ALL the reasons stated above. Those that I'm in vent with will tell you that I do my best to minimize my "intrusion" by not flapping aimlessly, or staying way back if I want to be airborne ready to go. There's no reason to be an ass about it and park your garg or gdrag on top of the EM's. I attend for the story line and the fact that it's a nice deviation from my usual activities in game. I enjoy it. But I fully understand people being pissed about the unruly behavior of a few as well as the drops. The drops are borked completely. I used to bring an bard to the events, but it was clear that even healing folks, I was never going to do enough damage as it seems SO many times the events are in/near cities where my summons are prevented. The system needs to get looked at.
It sounds like bud got irked about something a long time ago and hasn't been able to move on. As Radian said, people sometimes have a hard time differentiating character actions in RP and the real person on the other end. Get over it. Grow up. If you prefer the Atlantic RP community, have at it. But don't sit here making revisionist history and passing it off as fact, 'cause that cake don't bake.
I think we need to stop smashing throwers. In the proposed pub 81, archers will do the same damage at the same rate. Both the Soul Glaive and the Composite Bow will have 4.0s base speed and 16-20 base damage. Both have AI. Wraith can be run by any race and only provides mana for more AIs; wraith does not impact damage in any other way. The gargoyle racial HCI overcap to 50 is being removed and capped at 45.
Basically, archers and throwers will have the same potential DPS after this change is implemented.
That has got to be one of the lamest arguments I've heard. Bows require arrows, Soul Glaives require no ammo. Soul Glaives are one handed, bows require 2 hands and you have to add on the Balanced trait if you want to use potions. So, even when you 'even' it out in damage and speed, Soul Glaives are still better.
Barring them giving bows 600+ imbue points plus an extra ability slot, it's going to remain that way.
Glaives are still better. Period.
ok Honestly I did not read the 46 previous posts but based on the thread title.
Will not there always be a premium skill set or race or set up that will accomplish the goal of collecting an item?
In the Lore of Ultima the ultimate Character was the Avatar
I feel no mater what the objective the strength and challenge of this game is to figure out all of the game mechanics in play at the current time and maximize them to your goal.
Today its gargoyles tomorrow it might be a hot air balloon
Honestly the Prime objective of UO and its community is to be always evolving. What you did to set up your character last year will totally change to meet the play style of next year.
It has been this way since Ultima 1 in the 70's
its what keeps ultima and its community evolving
There is nothing like this in the publish notes. Please do not mislead people.
Mesanna came to Origin to test this new system before they rolled it out to all shards. I have never been nor ever WILL be top damager..not with the gear/pets I have...trust me! I refuse to change my template/gear just to get a pixel...I enjoy events for the RP, nothing more...but getting an item or FIVE is nice and I got them only because I was hitting/healing...not because I was *Top damager*..not even close. I can't compete with Greater Dragons/garg throwers and dexxors...not with my tamer...but I chose to use her because she's my RP character.