Stop beating the bushes just nerf all pvp and be done with all this, cry baby stuff "my char X can't kill so and so" or the " I can't win ". Heck tamers, thieves, crafters, and bards where never an efective pvp template to begin with and in my opinon never will be. So stop fixing what wasn't broke! The one efective fix for pvp and some pvm is very very simple just give the char's more hp. This would end the one hit wonder gimp plate he used to do that. Is this really hard ??