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Gargoyle "flying" should take up 1 control spot...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by UODJ, Jun 10, 2010.


Should flying should take 1 control slot?

  1. Yes

    27 vote(s)
  2. No

    76 vote(s)
  1. UODJ

    UODJ Adventurer

    Sep 3, 2008
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    Anyone else agree? I think it's unfair that tamer gargoyles can move at mounted speed with a GD since there is no control penalty for flying.

    Seems every damn tamer now is a gargoyle just to exploit this.
  2. Freelsy

    Freelsy Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    May 12, 2008
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    Same goes for Animal form... Question has been asked many many times and nothing has ever been done.

    Just gotta live with it I guess.

    Although, its not so bad anymore since they cannot pet ball their (insert whatever animal) right beside you anymore... but I still agree that forms/flying should take at a minimum one slot.
  3. [JD]

    [JD] Guest

    Are you new or just trolling?

    Because my mind is just reeling from this suggestion. You’re aware of racial differences and don’t need them spelled out?

    Because you suggested something which basically makes gargoyles useless to play as tamers. There are a ton of negatives and the only good thing about it is not having to be on foot with a GD.

    You know, I’m sure gargoyles would be THRILLED to have a free 20 in every skill. Or to be able to carry a lot. Or to be able to ride their pet so that it doesn’t follow along slowly and get stuck on terrain or attacked by things.

    But they don’t get that. They get no control spot flying speed, which leaves them out of stamina after a minute of flying. Some of them carried refresh potions – just to use their supposed “free racial ability”.

    They also don’t get the nice selection of artifacts, and throwing is horribly bugged months after release of SA.

    I really don’t know why I even bothered to respond to such an inane suggestion.

    Seriously, I don’t know what’s up with all the tamer hate on this board but you’ll be happier if you just get over it. Maybe when you were a newbie you got jealous of that guy with a bull as a pet and you never got over it.

    Tamers suck, there’s tons of bugs, and it can be very frustrating to play. There are tons of way more effective templates and characters than tamers for doing all sorts of activities.

    Get over it.
  4. Ender

    Ender Crazed Zealot
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    Jun 12, 2008
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    I see absolutely no reason to vote no to this. Unless you play a flying gargoyle/ninja tamer with a greater dragon anyway. :/
  5. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
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    May 16, 2008
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    There have been so many discussions on this...
    If you're flying you lose tons of stam unless you have a ton of stam regen or have focus and your pet just wont catch up with you when you're flying.
  6. I vote no because penalizing a racial ability over (apparent) issues with a skill is a stupid soloution.

    It doesn't just affect Greater Dragons it would affect all 5 slot combinations as well, there are penalties, you can't just mount your mare/cu to save it, or instantly remount like humans/elfs can to run away when dismounted, you can't use armoured swamp dragons.

    It was discussed at length when implemented and they clearly do not consider it an exploit.

    *& no, my Tamer is a 4/6 Chiv, Swords, Vamp Form, Human.*
  7. Lady Storm

    Lady Storm Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Feb 20, 2006
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    Personaly Id like to see them take reward mounts off the pet slot count.
  8. Nyses

    Nyses Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Jun 10, 2008
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    Are you talking about PvM or PvP? In PvM, What do you care? and in PvP, have you actually ever played a Gargoyle in PvP? Try getting "mounted" flying again with 2 guys on you, it will never happen if they have half a clue.

    Want a real issue, how about faction members rezzing thier dead warhorses with a single aid, and no skill, without fail, insta hop on and off to the races.
  9. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Grand Poobah
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    Mar 18, 2003
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    No one else agrees...
  10. puni666

    puni666 Slightly Crazed
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    Jul 10, 2008
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    Flying should also allow you to FLY over things. Since the character is what? 3-4 feet above the ground why can't we fly over water, small rocks, bushes, rats, etc... once they add a useful feature to flying then add control slots.
  11. gjohnson5

    gjohnson5 Guest

    What can an ethreal mount really do?
    Makes no sense that a pet that really is has no functionality other then to ride takes a control slot

    Secondly the amount of animal form nerfs are already unecessary. Wraiths and Vampires can do all ninjitsu and bushido attacks, all weapon special as well as cast any spell. But for some reason Animal form almost none of these

    IMHO this is just poor pvp-ers complaining
  12. maroite

    maroite Guest

    Thats because you know absolutely nothing about gargoyles or the drawbacks.

    There are reasons that Gargoyles can fly and why it doesn't count as a control slot. They have been stated many times.

    Also, I fail to see how it matters if a gargoyle can fly and use a GD/5 slot combo. No pet can keep up with flight speed.

    Can't be stolen, can't be lost thanks to bless. Can't be killed and need ressed and you think they shouldn't cost a control slot? ...
  13. gjohnson5

    gjohnson5 Guest

    And also has no functionality.... It cannot even walk on its own
    Makes no sense at all for it to take a control slot
  14. chuckoatl

    chuckoatl Guest

    Ethys have to take a control slot or there would be no reason to be a garg. I had a GD garg tamer for about 3 hours. The first time you get d-mounted and cant get back on mount no matter how hard you try I switched back to human and a mare...... Gargs are good as mystic mages, thats about all I have found so far. Oh and bleed walk dexxers, that sword of shattered hopes is way OP.
  15. LordDrago

    LordDrago Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Jun 26, 2004
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    1st of all, it is not an exploit as it is an intended feature.

    2nd, the only way you could suppor this is if you also supported deleting all racial abilities. For example, humans "exploit" casting spells that they do not have any real skill in. Elves "exploit" night sight and extra mana without either having to expend stat points on intelligence or using up valuable suit slots for the extra mana.
  16. maroite

    maroite Guest

    Last time I checked, my ethies allowed my char to move out mounted speed.... Maybe yours are broke if they don't move at mounted speed?

    Why don't they just get rid of ethereal mounts all together? Gargoyle players can't use them, and how exactly do you sit on an ethereal anything?
  17. Fink

    Fink Guest

    When I saw them in hover in testing I thought, "Okay, they can't break out of ground effect." But then there are high passages where they can fly over, so I figured that's the ground effect restriction debunked. But then I realised I was trying to assign reason to Ultima Online game mechanics...
  18. Derium of ls

    Derium of ls Slightly Crazed
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    May 29, 2008
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    hahah :thumbup1:
  19. lucitus

    lucitus UOEC Modder
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    May 13, 2008
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    No because it is a racial abilitie. The pro is they can control a 5 slot pet and fly at the same time, the cons are that they cant mount up to rescue a mount or to get moving it faster!

    No this is balanced!
  20. Violence

    Violence Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    May 27, 2008
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    Sword Of Shattered Hopes = FTW

    If that's its name anyway..

    When EA/M decides to allow all items to be convertable so I can use my current suit, I'll turn Gargoyle just for this item.. Especially if the chance to Splinter increases with Focus Attack. Some easy weapon switching to combo it with Mortal Wound or some such and you've got the best tool in the game. :stretcher:
  21. Jermosh

    Jermosh Guest

    Gargs have other disadvantages. So it equals out.
  22. Coppelia

    Coppelia Guest

    I wasn't sure if it was fair, but this seems to be a valid argument.
  23. gjohnson5

    gjohnson5 Guest

    Once again you are cherry picking. The mounts cannot move, attack, or do any commands on their own. All they are is mounts. They are not actual pets

    Anyway when I'm playing my ninja I cannot sit on my ethreal because you cannot use mounts in animal form. Having said this , the best animal forms don't even move at at mount speed. The dog and cat have great hp regeneration and they DO NOT move at mount speed. The Rabbit form also does not move at mount speed but give 20 stealth. The other forms have questionable usefulness considering the points invested and what you CANNOT DO in that form.