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Goodman (Atl)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lythos-, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. Lythos-

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    Arya has a house falling today in Zento. The sign says "of the Goodman family". Does anyone know if this person also runs the Goodman library?
     
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    Pretty sure it's still @Andrasta that runs the Goodman Library. No idea if they're related though...
     
  3. Andrasta

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    Arya of the Goodman Family is Goodman's RL son. Unfortunately we were unable to reach him before the house fell.
     
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    Goodman Memorial Library
    Captain Morgan
    Fairly Worn
     
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    Formal Petition

    Mesanna Posts: 5Dev
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    I hope you understand we can not take this house to save it. There have been way to many requests to do this. But I do have a solution...if you would like to apply game time code to this house I will do that. Email me the code and I will have it applied the same day I receive it.
     
  6. Gb8719

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    Please tell me that you’re not implying the rune library in Tokuno might fall...
     
  7. Lady Akeeta

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    No it isn't the Tokuno one. It is his origial library on the beach in New Magincia. Please save this house Mesanna.
     
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    Formal Petition

    Mesanna Posts: 6Dev
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    Update, I recieved a valid 30 day game time code and it has been applied to the account. My concern is the house is greatly worn so for the time being I have blessed the house. There is no guarantee the house will not fall due to the late stages of decay.

    If someone is going to take over the account we will work with all parties to do so.
     
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  9. Lady Akeeta

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    Andrasata is trying to reach Goodman's rl son who is supposed to be holding the account.
     
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  10. MalagAste

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    Perhaps Mesanna can save the house and bless it like she did one of our libraries on GLs...
     
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    good work hopefully this gets resolved
     
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  12. Lady Akeeta

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    For now, this issue has been resolved. Thanks goodness!!!
     
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    Wow. That was handled swiftly by the Queen.
     
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    Great effort by the community. @Mesanna :thumbsup:
     
  15. celticus

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    Nice job!

    And some one said somewhere there is "no communication in Stratics"..WRONG!
     
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    Guess you didn't read post #8 where in fact she did say she was going to bless it
     
  17. MalagAste

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    Yeah I did... she's flighty... one min she saves something next min no no never happen... Sorry, hope you can keep the place going... it's sad to lose a landmark... more and more go all the time and it just leaves a hole in the community.

    I think when Kazola's fell which it never should have... that really hurt GLs... Now I am to understand that Red Devils is gone as well... another major loss for GLs... not to mention at least 3 of our own have died in the last year... one very recently. I just have to keep remembering what my Grandmother told me about getting older... that you need to get used to losing ... as the older you get the more you will experience loss.
     
  18. Alexey Kurkdjian

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    Who bought the Game Time Code?
     
  19. Archnight

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    If you click on the link from post #8, you'll see the whole thread on the other forum and who bought it :).
     
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    She put a temporary bless on the house since the game code came in close to the collapse threshold. She specifically said she would not do this on a permanent basis at the start of the thread.

    So unless the owner transfers the house or account, this is just a stay of execution for the moment
     
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    You can't wait to throw digs can you?
     
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    OMG Another one that I guess no matter what the DEVs do is never good enough. She is doing everything in her power to help save the house and thanks to @AtlanticRealtor who donated a GTC something special has been saved.
     
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    I think you’re misunderstanding my post. I have no horse in the game and if pushed to take a side I would have said that I didn’t think the devs should have stepped in at all. If the owner doesn’t want to maintain the house, let it fall.

    What I WAS saying is that the information that the house was permanently blessed was incorrect, nothing more.
     
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  24. MalagAste

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    No, she isn't... She saved one on GLs... a Keep. So it IS in her power to do more... she has all the power in the world in the game. Don't buy into that she is doing everything BS as she isn't. If she was it'd be saved already permanently.
     
  25. Laura_Gold

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    Could she please bring back the player memorials she removed from Baja New Magincia? Pretty please with sugar on it?
    If not then how about just the harpsichord, pretty please with sugar on it?
     
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    Sighs! When will this horrible, broken process of house decay ever be fixed and replaced with something more humane?

    The only people who like house decay are looters. Yes land should go to active players But this guy ought to at the very least get his stuff put in a warehouse to claim when he is active. Life and billing errors happen.

    Glad this one is temporarily saved!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    Nobody said it was permanently blessed
     
  30. MalagAste

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    Fairly sure the original owner passed on... and his son was maintaining it... now not sure if his son is ok or not but who would know...

    How many of us share such personal details that someone would really know if you dropped dead tomorrow? How many could contact your family and find out?

    If I died tomorrow I doubt my friends would be able to contact my family and find out. Sure they have my phone # but my cell is passworded... who's gonna answer it?

    Some folk their family probably don't even know anything about our community.

    Makes you wonder.

    I just hope that someone can find him before this comes up again in a few months... be a shame to lose it.
     
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    Here is the post you were replying to where MalagAster is clearly referring to a permanent blessing which is what happened to the Keep on GL

    Here is your response indicating the house had indeed been blessed and by extension of MalagAste's original comment implying that it was a permanent blessing.

    So yes, you never said it was a perma blessing but the context of the discussion implies that was the outcome - which is what I was clarifying.

    None of this misunderstanding I could really care about. However, you turn this into a personal thing by labeling me a Dev Team Hater and then pressing the attack instead of just saying "yep, my bad I wasn't clear". That... that I find troublesome.
     
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    Personally, the most insulting thing in this discussion is that Mesanna asked for other people to pay for the code. It's within her power to just refresh the account itself. But she's gotta get that money to keep the overseers at EA happy.
     
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  33. celticus

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    Sad story..The poor man died, his son is not interested or playing the game at all. House saved due to kindheartedness/concern of Stratics folks, 2 months life given, it will collapse then anyways, according to game mechanics and rules.
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    In this case, Goodman along with his real world family were pretty open about how to contact them outside the game. Emails, phone numbers etc. were exchanged often for years. These days it's mostly Andrasta who communicates with them due to her being the one maintaining the big updated Goodman's rune library in Zento, while his real life son maintains the small original one for Atlantic historical purposes. It's been kind of a unique situation where the family who didn't play the game themselves still fully and actively support keeping the deceased players legacy alive in the game because they know how much UO meant to him.
     
  35. popps

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    Perhaps, similar needs could be dealt on a Permanent solution basis by having a Policy that permitted, rather then a monthly subscription payment, a one time, lump sum payment which the owners of Ultima Online could decide the amount for maintaining an account as active, indefinitively, until Ultima Online's Servers were to stay up.....

    This way, it would no longer be necessary to have to renew a subscription month after month or, maybe, need to try to contact other players whose Homes were seen to be starting the process to go IDOC.... if anyone, whatever the reasons, wanted to make sure that their UO Home stayed up, indefinitively, no matter what, if such a Policy existed, they could pay such a one time lump sum amount decided by who owns Ultima Online, and then these players would be done with that need, not needing to have to remember about that over time any longer....

    Then, players would decide, of course, whether the amount that would have to be paid to keep their account as active, indefinitively, would be one that they would want to pay, or whether they would just keep going on with the monthly subscription payments until that suits them.....

    Just a thought.....
     
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    And that price is....

    1........ million dollars.
     
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    This is exacly the issue. In all reality this house shoud have fallen, there shouldn't have been a grace period. My houses will fall one day when I finnaly decide to stop paying, it would appear that the son decided he had enough with paying for the account. Who can blame him, paying to keep some random pixels around in a game he doesn't play.

    The mistake here was cowering to a few threads, she shouldn't have done ****e other than trying to get new blood into the game.....
     
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    Personally I think there should be a process, similar to the old days of the GM blessed and decorated houses, to have a building designated as a community historical site. I know my home shard of Napa has a few of these from way back (University of Virtue, Pair A Dice Casino, etc).

    There should be some very strict and lofty requirements for meeting the standard, but if met, then the building should become blessed. The requirements should be public so that everyone knows and any complaints of favoritism can be squelched.

    This would create a fair process and allow some of these types of community sites to be saved.
     
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  39. MalagAste

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    Once upon a time there was such a thing... but those days are gone and mostly forgotten... Kazola's NEVER should have fallen.
     
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    Please DONT suggest anything, DONT let them mess with the House system, you know what happen everytime they try to fix something that is NOT broken.
    We would need someone to audit the house system before any change.
    There is current so many blessed aka grandfather houses that it shouldnt be there anymore, there is also a lot of houses that will never decay bc someone put them into Seer / Counselour / EM accounts that also shouldnt exist anymore. Same way that there is a lot of old counselour accs that pre beta were set to expire in 2060 that shouldnt exist anymore. There is so many shouldnt exist anymore situations but lets not ask them to fix, bc we know what will happen.

    But i also believe that on some shards where we still have a strong community and where on those shards some players pass away and their house really add a value to the shard like goodman library. Where the house or plot have no value to anyone else, the community should have a voice and ask the dev to make that house Grandfather to the shard. But if that house is a little house or plot blocking someones keep or castle in the area and just couple people asking to bless that house, i am not in favor of any DEVS touch and that thing should go idoc.
     
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    I'm reminded that Brian DeSpell lost, I believe, six of his seven houses unfairly recently.

    His auctions were top notch for the most part, as was his tireless work in the wiki.

    Now he's mostly gone.

    Here's a thought, with so many people gone and with all but Atlantic being fairly empty perhaps its time to lift the one house per account rule again. Allow every character to own a house and people will stop playing the "pay for one month and let it go dormant three months" game.

    I roleplay my characters a bit, each house could have personality of it's own. I know this might cost some money in terms of accounts being paid but you could introduce new things like rental tokens. Then the elite could be real landlords, renting out the best bed and breakfast or shop properties around Brit. Whatever the owner locks down the renter can't move and vice versa. Could be fun...

    ------------------------- IDEA ---------------------------

    Idocs, they need to stop falling because it's a wasted opportunity for revenue. Instead allow people to put in a bid for the house on the sign and if it finishes the idoc cycle the high bidder gets it, items and all. It would suck gold out of the game again.

    Some houses that fall are so well designed that just falling is a loss to the game.
     
  42. MalagAste

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    While you make some ok suggestions I don't ever want to see IDOCs going to an Auction system... this only serves the rich. If anything it should be a lottery one entry per account... This would be more fair.

    Heck they could even do a random 125 items per lottery... random. As many winners as the house held stuffs... then the spot then just randomly opens to one of the lottery winners... If they don't want it or can't take it then it is "forfeit" and drops. This would be far more fair.

    As for the house issue I've always said that each account should get up to 32x32... if you want that many 8x8's then ok... but each account should get however many houses it takes to reach 32x32. 16 8x8's or 4 16x16's or whatever it works out to... 1 castle or whatever... but that's me.

    Heck I still think they would make a killing offering basements... which allow 32x32 storage in 1 level...

    But that's me... I also think they should maybe revisit the idea of you can have 1 house per shard... that might get folk to actually play more on other shards. Though I'd say limit it to 2 or 3 at most per account.
     
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    That would end up with the same 20ish people owning half of Atlantic and doubling the price of all the houses for profit within a year. We've already seen how extreme the effects of one IDOC'er with 50 accounts can be on the Atlantic housing market, imagine the price gouging and house hoarding that would go on if that person could suddenly have 250+ houses instead of 50 at one time.
     
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    Nice thought, but...

    I agree with Norrington, the house grabbers would immediately place all the good spots worldwide.

    I think instead of houses per account, it would have to be limited to tiles per account...A total number of tiles across all shards, that will be established as the max.

    But, after watching the trend over the last few upgrades, I don't want it. I don't want this team messing with housing. No. Please don't. Don't even change the decay timer back to a reasonable sensible single time. Just don't touch.
     
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    If the house can't be transferred or blessed, then a permanent monument should be created in the same location by the EM and Mesanna. All this talk of changing house rules is a bad idea, let's not make a bigger mess here folks.
     
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    Well if they don't do something soon they are just going to lose more of the decent loyal people and eventually the only ones left will be the corrupt... but maybe that's been their goal all along to drive out all the loyal players who vowed to be here to the end by making the game so unplayable that they can't stand to see it in its current state and they quit...

    I think its working so far... I would like to be doing plunder beacons... but they seem few and far between... finding one is hard... you have to kill 3 or 4 pirate ships a few merchant ships and then when one finally spawns 9 times out of 10 its near the damn shore and won't stop firing on you... so you kill all the orcs and leaving waiting for it to respawn but instead then you have to kill the pirates again... over and over until finally you get another to spawn so an outing that used to take about an hour to hit 3 or 4 beacons now takes 2 to 3 hours or more and you get 1/4 what you used to because the beacons you do find aren't destroyable without destroying your ship...

    Been waiting patiently for them to fix my freaking quiver so I no longer have to stop all the time take the arrows out of the quiver stack them with the ones in my backpack and then put them back in... because I can no longer just drop arrows into the quiver... And the (&$#(*&$9#&(# GAME uses the ones in your backpack first which when it does that doesn't give you the bonus from the quiver... THIS peeves me as you are always getting arrows back whether you loot them back or they are just returned you can't not get them back... so you are always dealing with the issue. Sick and tired of it being broken... mentioned it nicely ... was told they are aware of the issue but I'm still waiting been a LONG wait...

    Bandage belts came out bugged they are still bugged.. was told they would fix it ... still NOT FIXED. Tired of having to refind and open the damn thing every time I die so I can use a freaking bandage. But supposedly they are fixing that too... still waiting. It'd be one thing if the damn belt had the properties of the Crimmy or Tangle or were close and had something decent on it and one could actually wear the belt without taking a penalty to your suit but no.... you have to either suffer the penalty or deal with the infuriating problem of the game telling you that you need to carry bandages to use them... when you have 200+ in the freaking belt.

    And yeah I get that we don't really want them to touch some things but if they don't get on fixing the things that seriously matter like the scripting of IDOCs by the multipackanimal following grubbers and all... then they will soon find themselves out of a job when the rest of us get fed up with all the grindy boring broken stuff and finally throw in the towel.

    I vowed to be here till the lights went out but it's getting harder and harder to enjoy UO and more and more frustrating all the time... that the pastures are starting to look greener in other games.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, how did he lose his houses unfairly?
     
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    He was doing the pay once every 3 months thing, but his houses were dropping in 2 months instead of 3 for no apparent reason which made it impossible for him to know when to apply the next gametime code, resulting in all of his houses but the one paid 100% of the time falling way early.
     
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    I lost one I never used, just kept personal stujff and keepsakes in, because when the card was declined (same number, diff 3 digit code, a renewal) the system didnt send an email that the account was expired, nor that the payment was declined.

    Expensive lesson...but hey, que sera, sera
     
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    Ouch. That’s some BS there
     
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