I realize that Siege is fairly empty of thieves, but I'm nevertheless going to continue training my detective toon. If nothing else, maybe I'll end up in a couple of UOThief stories. Need help thinking this through. Currently aiming toward this: 100 mage (tamer, so don't need EVs) 115 eval (paralyze) 105 taming (cu) 110 lore 90 vet 100 forensic (partly for the title) 100 detect (do I need all of this?) 0 Tracking (JOAT; is this enough?) Obviously, for PvM applications, I'm going to rely pretty heavily on pets. Not enough meditation to cast persistently. Suppose I could soulstone between med/vet for PvP/PvM applications. Hopefully 115 eval will be enough to get off a successful paralyze. Realize that everyone carries trapped boxes, but I just need a brief pause to sick pet. Will JOAT tracking be enough to find a stealther? Do I need all 100 detect? Thanks for your insight.