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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Flutter, May 12, 2008.
There's been some more bannings
Hmmm nice shoes.
I knew I wanted a pair, just didnt' want to pay out the nose for them, now, I'm glad I'm so stingy with my moola.
OK, Flutter is here. Let the party begin. *smiles*
It's like an addiction I tell ya.
I have to Msg you. You're gonna laugh.
Yay Flutter! HI!
woot!!! managed to make the 1st page.
Yea certain person was very proud of that finishing touch at the town hall Saturday.
That has to be one of the nicest pics I have seen in a long time!!!!
What about the people who didn't know they were duped? There were those guys too, you know.
Sorry, but EA's negligence facilitated the dupe in the first place then, even after they realized what was happening, they left it for many months to do anything about it, thus keeping these in-game and allowing more and more players to get screwed over by their purchases.
EA were right to remove the duplicated items, I'm certainly not disputing that. Again though, they've taken a long, long time to fix a very simple and straightforward issue and intentionally allowed its playerbase to remain vulnerable and exposed to illegal goods over a prolonged period of time. This isn't good, and certainly nothing people should be happy about.
Play with fire....
What are you basing that on exactly? What gives you (or any of us non-EA employees, for that matter) any right to decide what was and was not a "simple" issue or what should be a priority for fixing? For all we know, they were attempting to track down the original duper before pulling the trigger... Don't be so quick to judge.
Some items its understandable but come on. Im somewhat sick of this excuse as of lately because its the new craze excuse.
If you can justify spending 200+mil on an item that use to sell for 700m+ and not know it was duped you're living under a rock and probably don't even play UO.
Since they don't exist, they aren't an issue.
Anyone unable to comprehend that these items were of dubious nature, and that don't check out an item they are about to drop $100+ real-money value of gold (or actual money) that is so out of the ordinary from normal equipment, are way too gullible - and it is a wonder they could even AFFORD such items in-game.
The only way that someone would NOT know, IMO, would be if they LOOTED a pair off someone in PvP. In which case, they were never out anything for them in the first place, and are no better or worse off now than before acquiring them.
The thing is that EVERYONE who had a pair thought that theirs was the "real" pair and all the others were duped.
But that's the problem with dealing with an item that is counterfeited many times over.
The industry I work in we have that problem a LOT, especially with "casual" collectors.
I think the base problem, is that code of super-secrecy that all employees of EA or EA/Mythic, if you prefer, keep hiding behind. Long ago, there should have been an official announcement made. Some people really didn't know they were duped. I hadn't even heard of them until a couple of weeks ago, didn't know they even existed. I am not saying they should have told the details of the dupe, but based on what has been said today, an announcement along the lines of:
"Hello, all Ultima Players, We would like to inform you and warn you, NOT to buy any Vine Cord Sandals you may find for sale. We KNOW where the one and only REAL pair are, and any and all others are dupes and WILL be dealt with. Consider this your first and only warning." would have been in order.
And People would not have bought them, right? It seems logical. Instead, we get "We cannot comment on that, it's an ongoing blah blah blah...stick our head in the sand blah blah...secret, behind the scenes blah blah...radar blah..."
Communication is the key, that consists of more than 5 words "we cannot comment on that"
Your ignorance really is monumental on this subject. You seem utterly incapable of thinking beyond the "OMG THEY WERE DUPED!! DELETE!!!!11" mentality here.
If it was such common knowledge that these items were dubious, do you not think EA should have acted sooner? If "everyone" knew about it, then EA knew about it. Why did they expose their customers to items that were illegal for so long? They are responsible for allowing dupers to facilitate sales, and scams, involving people claiming that they had genuine pairs as Dermott touched upon.
This should have been nipped in the bud long ago by EA and the exploit closed to prevent this from being such a fiasco. Contrary to your views, there were people caught out by this who were NOT aware of the number of these items originally created (1) and thus did not realize duping was the likely cause of the pair they were purchasing.
Amen, Preach on!!
Yes, it would have been nice to get it fixed earlier, but it needed to be fixed and the sandals needed to be removed. Yeah it sucks for people who bought into the "It's the real pair" lie from a seller, but that's life. Be glad it was for a few piles of game-gold checks. In my business it's happened to people to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars with no recompense.
The sandals needed to be deleted, that's all there was to it. Hopefully in the process they nailed/banned the main dupers and that the ONLY loss someone who bought a pair was the gold.
No UO item is guaranteed to hold its ingame value, the Vine Cords were never meant to have the mods they had in the first place, and it's ALWAYS a good idea that if you're about to spend in excess of 10,000,000 gold to DO YOUR HOMEWORK on the history of a supposed "unique" item that is now being sold multiple times over on multiple shards.
Sorry, but I don't really feel sorry for someone who got burned buying them. It's a however many hundred million gold lesson. Learn from it.
Until 2 months or so ago I had no idea these sandals even existed. But, I would have gone out of my way to know the history of them (or any item) before paying 200+ mil on them. Buyer beware/smart.
Now that they're called "a pair of completely normal sandals" I want a pair.
Now all we need is the old forum back showing my true register date and the total # of posts again.
I have no issue with them removing duped items, in fact I HATE duped items and dupers ruining this game; however, I do not like the fact that you can't find out ahead of time if something is duped or if that item has been duped generally. I have called GMs before to ask if something has been duped before I buy it. I am talking about wall blood spatter, some strange clothing, old gold mark scrolls when they first came out, gold blood moss when it first came out, the bugged quivers of infinity that were on vendors forever and a day (I bought some of these and way later found out they were illegal and called a GM to fix them and they said they wouldn't ban me since I called them to fix them... I was actually offended by that comment... At the time they were still available to buy off vendors all over the place too so how the hell should anyone know they were bugged items?? and here I was doing the right thing and the GM said that to me????), tent deed, so on and so forth because I wanted to buy the real items, but was wondering if duping was going on with these items in general and if those specific ones were duped.
Every time I was told they couldn't comment either way. I try to be careful and not buy duped stuff, but I am a major rares collector and I made all of my money from running a huge vendor shop of all my own vendors since Tram came out. Shouldn't I be able to spend my gold how I want with at least some security? A page that is permanent and updated with a list of items known to be heavily duped and or completely illegal would be nice, helpful, and cut down on the dupers ability to sell the items to a fully informed community.
They say that if they post a dupe than dupers will then hunt to find out how to do it... I hate to break it to you, but I am 100% sure from everything that I have heard over almost 9 years of playing UO that the dupe sites have a list of the dupes out at that time and how to do them already and all the dupers already know about them. Only the innocent shoppers are unaware.
Hunter Moon [HOT] Atlantic
It's about time some people got what they paid for.
to buy a "pair of vine cord sandals", you had to spend hundreds of millions of uo gold. so to anybody claiming that better information would have been something EA should have had to care about: who could claim to be such a newb not knowing what "vine cords" are about and have hundreds of millions to spend? this is absurd.
Everybody knew they were duped, at least those peeps with hundreds of millions on their accounts.
If you look at the title of my post, I have "not just vines" and I went into some detail on items not even near the level of vines... I wasn't talking about info. on the vines (I know other people were only talking about the vines), that was pretty readily available. There are tons and tons of other duped items that are not that well known though and unless you know a duper and got the info. from them, I don't know how you would even have a clue. Imagine my surprise years and years ago after gold bloodmoss started appearing on vendors and every rares collector wanted one, to find out that it was highly duped and they were so upset about it they were banning people for even owning it even if you just bought it... Now if their was a page that had a list, I could have gone there and gone, OHHHH that is a bad item which I am not going to spend 100k on (which was a lot of money back than btw). No one even knew it was duped until months later. Everyone thought it had spawned on an NPC for a day and that is where it all came from. That was true, but then that amount was duped like a bazillion times. Who could possibly know that without more information sharing???
Hunter Moon [HOT] Atlantic
ROFL this is a joke right ????? If anyone tells you they didnt know they where duped then they be lying , or scorring less than 70 on an IQ test for 8 year old kids....
Death to all dupers!
Anyhow, i do kinda agree about the communication part of it. Not so much with the sandals but with everything. I feel like they are too secretive with us about alot of things that i feel i have a right to know as a customer.
yes, i too have 2 of these quivers.. i didn't even notice they were bugged because i always filled them by dropping 500 bolts on it..
then one day i found the context menu, refill from stock..
then wow, this one holds 5000 bolts..
like you, i too called a gm.. i got the check out our website bug report thing. i called again and i waited 30 minutes for gm to come, they never showed up.. it went from 7 in que, to 9 in que, to finally being out of que so now i just make sure to get only 500 bolts in them.. those quivers aren't cheap, im not going to throw it in the trash.
im also not going to waste my time calling gm after gm.
i would be very offended if they baned me because of something THEY didn't want to fix.
i suppose after playing this game for 9 years it would be the final close all my accounts and find something else final straw.
Hey, Flutter, can you post the Shard and the coordinates?
Someone I know wants to take a look in person.
I, for one, am fine with this amusing screencap.
Someone over there, I'm assuming D., has some style.
Oh wait, it can't be D., no fire.
Here's the coords I get through uoa
It's in Tokono bottom choice on the gate (I forget the name) then you run along the road going north and it's off the road to the west as shown in this pic:
I posted two more in the Rares Collector forum, I'll repost them here:
There are lots more, I didn't have time to search around different shards however.
I did A bit funny on allot of shards A house was flamed in the same spots. Go figure seems the one just east of cove was popular.
I remember back in 97/98 there was someone selling 1,000,000 gold checks on everyshard that ended up being a GM. He was eventualy fired for it. Back then it was impossible to make that kind of money in those quantities on every server.
Did it ever occur to all of you that maybe a Dev or GM is involved with the dupe and is making money on the side, and that is why it has taken so long to fix.