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I'm done

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Bruin, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Bruin

    Bruin Guest

    (note that this is cross-posted into both the Siege Stratics forums and our guild/alliance forums as it has parts that pertain to each)

    Community (n): an interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common location.

    There are two thing about this game I love that I have not found in any other MMORPG that I have played. The first being the way this game forces you to interact can foster great communities, which I will mostly talk about. The second being the pvp that I love that is now long gone, but is not the point of this post.

    During my time in UO, I’ve been primarily part of 4 communities.
    1. During my trammy years, as part of the Britain Forge community, in Trammel, on Pacific. This community was destroyed by repair deeds and insurance, though I left it long ago.
    2. After I finally got the balls to venture into felucca, I joined the Rangers of Skara Brae (RSB), a guild that was part of the Skara Brae community on Felucca, Pacific. Here various types of guilds would interact with each other on a daily basis, be they good (RSB), outlaws (KIN), thieves (BUB), murderers (FL), and it was fun. This community began to die with the advent of Trammel, but was destroyed when AoS came out.
    3. Wispwood Community. Ahh yes, wispwood, it’s what really drew me to this shard. When I first joined back in 2003, Wispwood itself was always busy with all sorts of people. Citizens, allies, friends, enemies, and unknowns came by all the time to have an ale at the Unicorn, duel at the dueling pit, or raid our town. I’d say it finally died out in about 2005-2006.
    4. The Siege Stratics forums. Yes it is a community, although one that waffles to each other more than anything.

    The last few years my main purpose was to rebuild the Wispwood community by helping rebuilding Wispwood, its allies, and this shard. A guild or an alliance does not make a community by itself, and the only way the Wispwood community would ever become strong would be with a strong shard.

    The community is more than just the people hanging out within it. But what immensely help it are the people that maintain its lore. Websites devoted to bringing communities together and sharing their news, events, and history, something that hasn’t existed for 7-8 years. No other game could bring this about but UO, and I doubt no other game would. But even if a classic shard were brought about, I doubt it would bring about people to write the same type of lore that existed when uo first begun. I just wish I was around at that time. Some of these websites that I knew of were:

    The Community of Skara Brae
    Skara Brae Chimera
    Council of Nine
    Sosarian Atlas

    I know for a long time I’ve been fighting a loosing battle. And I guess that this is the point where I’m giving up, I’m done. This doesn’t mean that I am leaving. But, I’m no longer going to try and actively build up a dying guild, and a dying shard, within a dying game. It’s an admirable goal, but one that I believe can never be achieved.

    In about the last year that I have actively recruited for CWS, we have had 46 new members (Initiates), mostly from NEW. Seven of them are relatively new initiates, but of the remaining 39:
    • 13 have lasted about 2 months and were promoted to full membership (Citizen), or about 1/3 of all recruits.
    • Of the 13 that made it to full membership, about 4 of them are active today.

    So roughly 10% of people who joined CWS over the last year still play. This is a horrible statistic. And I share it not because I think it’s a CWS problem, I see similar issues with recruits that make it into GIL, the largest recruiter of new people on this shard.

    Once you figure that of all the people that join NEW, only 50% ever graduate and make it to another guild (I think the real number is less than 30%). So between 30%-50% of the people who join NEW ever move on, and of those only 10% last, that means we have about a 3%-5% a new person to this shard ever make it as a full productive member of our community. I believe the 3% to be more accurate.

    This tells me the allure of Siege exists, people ARE joining, they’re just not staying. Imagine if we as a shard could increase this number from 3% to 10%. That would mean another 50 people or so running around each year. How about 30%, or 50%! And these are just the people that run through NEW, I have no idea of the numbers of other people who join this shard and don’t make it to NEW.

    With this, I am giving up the positions of both Lord of CWS and chancellor of the White Council to anyone qualified who wishes to lead them. If no one steps up, I will still perform the administrative tasks required, but no longer have the desire to lead.

    I will still be around and in game (albeit less frequently), having an ale at the Unicorn, out hunting with friends, or whatever. Simply put, my desire to try and rebuild something that has become obvious to me will never again exist is gone. I do not know if I will continue my assistance in NEW.

    And with that, I guess I finally say goodbye to the communities that I was once a part of, but are no longer here. I’ve met some great people in this game, many who are long gone, some who I still play with. Hold a tavern night, and I’ll be there ordering an ale recanting stories of times past. And if anyone ever discovers a game with the same richness of lore, that fosters a community that UO once had, and gives the same risk and fun in pvp, please let me know.

    And with that, I’ll close with a saying we had in the Skara community, appropriately changed:
    “May we all stir with the Spoon of Skara Brae.”
  2. Chardonnay

    Chardonnay Visitor

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  3. Dirkdiggler

    Dirkdiggler Guest

    Well I sure hate to read this type of post from you Bruin! You are one of the three non-thief players I choose not to steal from out of respect. We'll hold the fort until your passion flares back up down the road :)
  4. Diablo FTW

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    that is realy sad to read
  5. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
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    May 12, 2008
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    Thank you, Bruin for visiting with me a bit this eve.
  6. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
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    May 12, 2008
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    It saddens me to read this, Bruin, but I am feeling your pain. I was never much into roleplay, but the community feel and spirit is what I have enjoyed about Siege. Its what kept me here in the beginning... Its still what I want to be a part of, but so much of what you have written rings true for me as well. As a leader, I feel like I am constantly fighting a losing battle.

  7. Max Blackoak

    Max Blackoak Certifiable
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    Jun 11, 2008
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    all of this sounds very familiar to me. i stopped recruiting for TBB around 2004. already back then we had the issues you just brought up. only 1 out of 10 recruits became active members and that's when we were lucky.

    still sad to see another frustrated siege vet give up...
  8. CroakerTnT

    CroakerTnT Guest

    Sorry to hear this Bruin. Kat, don't you even think about quitting!

    The thing is, it's the people and community we build (particularly within our guilds) that keeps us here. When I returned to siege a month ago after my RL issues started to get straightened out, I was very happy to hear familiar voices in vent and be welcomed back so enthusiastically. I still miss many like Bennos, Mr. T, and Savage, but hopefully they'll return.

    If TnT had folded in my absence, I may have migrated to Europa - since I've an excellent ping there. Fel side only, of course - can't stand Trammel. Some people just need killing, and you can't do that in Trammel - which is way too frustrating.

    Community is the key. It's what keeps us here. UO is a very social game - that's what makes it special over single-player games.

    I remember when I first got on UO, back in 1999, I was shocked at the poor quality of the graphics and dinky monsters. However, after a day of interacting with real people, getting stolen from, getting pk'd, dieing to a hind and getting rezzed by another player, etc., I was hooked.
  9. Bruin, I have served under your command in the sever wars, I didnt always agree with every thing you said but, I realy hope you hang in there,you are a good thing for this shard.
  10. QueenZen

    QueenZen Always Present
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    I do not know if I will continue my assistance in NEW.


    Sometimes I have a song in mind, but the only song that comes to mind is:

    Wind of Change by the Scorpions.

    I too am part of what was here, and miss it greatly a live vibrant WC with CWS and KSS etc. with active Shire and Wintermoor, Iantown and more that we once had here. I oft feel like leaving too, everywhere memories all over full of empty players that I used to hang around with here now gone. Yet I remain unable to fully give up yet still hoping the dev. team sends us an angel here or we get strong leaders whom we all used to follow or something to fix this shard to what it once was...full of players sharing our times on this shard together be we evil neutral or good just having fun together here on a unique shard which had a vibrant unique community of it's own.

    But do not give up entirely here on Siege, Bruin, cuz,

    the "children of tomorrow" keep coming to Siege, maybe not staying like we would hope but they

    "still share their dreams with you and me, and all of us here, in the wind of change"

  11. Luka Melehan

    Luka Melehan Certifiable
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    May 12, 2008
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    I have no intention of leaving myself, but it hits me in an odd way that I read this message as I am downloading DDO to play with my son and looking up the old and still thirving guild I helped to found in DDO beta.

    I am not one who likes to hear talk of winds of change. Have I been caught in mid-step?
  12. DanGarion

    DanGarion Guest

    I'll always remember fighting side by side with you on Pacific my friend... Those were the days.