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Life leech from vamp, weapon, curse wep adds up?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Inquisitor [AK], Nov 18, 2008.

  1. does the life leech from vampire, weapon and from curse weapon spell add up?
    how much do i leech from those diffrent kinds of LL?
    does vampire leech me more hp than a weapon leech?
    on a weapon u got X% chance to leech hp but how many hp in percent?
    vamp gives me 100% chance to leech, how many in percent tou?
    and what bout curse wep? how high is the percentage i leech and the chance that i leech?

    basically i wanna know if theres a point to have a vampire with a life leech weapon and maybe even add curse wep spell if sombody cud give me details(answer my questions above) wud be apreciated
    thx in advance
  2. Farsight

    Farsight Crazed Zealot
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    May 12, 2008
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    I couldn't say.
    I couldn't say
    That's the same question as your second question.
    Curse weapon is 100% chance of leaching back a portion of the damage you deal.

    There is a point. Double leeching is great to have, especially against tougher monsters.
  3. Yes they all stack but their all worked out differently.

    Vamp form restores as hp 20% of the damage you do every hit. This is literally 20%, so if you hit for 100 you get 20 hp back. This now requires 99 necro to maintain the form, unless you are still in it from before the 'fix'.

    Curse weapon restores as hp 50% of the damage you do, you have to recast it though as it does have a duration - at 100 spirit speak it lasts around 30 seconds. This is also literally 50%, so if you do 100 damage you get 50 hp back. This requires spirit speak for duration & necromancy for success of casting it (you need 40 necromancy for 100% success).

    Hit life leech from melee weapons is the number on the weapon as a % of 40%, the % on the weapon is also how often it goes off. So if you had 100% life leech on your weapon you would leech 40% of the damage you do back as hp every swing, if you were hitting for 100 damage you would get 40 hp from a 100% life leech melee weapon. Weapons that have 50-100% life leech are weapons that are naturally slow base swing (3s and over - at a guess)
    On ranged weapons (archery) it is half of that so it's the number on the weapon as a % of 20% of the damage you do.

    The % for hit mana leech I think is different though I don't know what it is, the % for hit stamina leech I think is 100%.

    Is it worth having all 3? Usually not, but it depends how much stuff is going to be hitting you and wether you have good resists/parrying and a number of other factors.
  4. Turdnugget

    Turdnugget Guest

    I'm curious which is better now that you need 99 necro for vamp form.

    Vamp form on a swampy w/exceptional armor taking 20% of the dmg... with a constant 20% LL.

    Or wraith form with 100 SS so you don't have to cast CW nearly as much. Giving you mana leech at the same time allowing you to keep doing specials + LS and using that lifeleech from CW at the same time. But you don't get the 20% dmg decrease from not using a swampy...

    I've been using vamp form on a lesser hiryu just cuz i'm a little lazy on getting a swampy, but i've noticed I run out of mana using LS with a Soulseeker or my hatchet with life/mana/stamina etc...However when I did it in wraith form on a Skel Lich, I was able to AI, LS, AI, LS, AI, LS repeatedly never really getting below half mana to be able to use either.

    Basically curious if the swamp dragon/vamp form has more pros then the wraith form with mana/CW....

    Any input? =)

    Oh, the downside of having wraith/CW is that you lose karma each time... but I can't imagine it's too big of a difference as you can always recast EoO and Consecrate every so often.
  5. Gheed

    Gheed Certifiable
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    Sep 24, 2003
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    Plus you have the added bonus of level 4 poison immunity in vamp form and high stamina regen. The template I use relies on vamp+curse for all healing. Only retreating to SS if hit points dip too low. So you are relying almost entirely on your ability to strike the mob to stay alive. It is an interesting dynamic allowing you to max necro, SS, parry, swords and tactics to 120 for high damage/healing. Add in midnight bracers take anatomy to 80 and chiv to 60. Now you have an undead Palidin that can use EoO to up your numbers even more.

    With this template I could joust a skele lich with a trinket and sundered blade hitting for 90 ish damage at max swing speed (if I corpse skin it... I really like the corpse skin sundered blade combo).

    Solo fights were still challenging and fun. Even with max HCI and DCI I still got hit frequently for 1/3rd to 1/2 health . This combo still requires good mana management and a few spare corpses to SS health in emergencies.

    The template is alot of fun. Even if they changed skill requirements for Paladin and EoO I can still sacrifice anatomy for Chiv.
  6. I think the soulseeker is a bad weapon to use, it's base damage and leeches are too low compared with other things you can use.

    Vamp form templates still have more pros imo...
    You're mounted.
    You take less damage.
    It needs less skill points.
    You don't need lrc - one piece of insured arcane clothing is enough, where as with wraith you ideally want to be in lrc so you don't have to re-reg when you die and because of the continuous casting.
    Positive karma. (you can do oaks/weald without getting ganked etc)

    The only real positive the wraith has is the mana, and as the majority of that is a direct drain so whatever you're hitting will eventually run out. You can spam feint for less damage, which puts it a little closer to the vamp but it's not enough imo.
  7. ColterDC

    ColterDC Visitor

    May 13, 2008
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    Pretty sure that's not how it works.

    Your ability to leech mana/stamina/whatever has nothing to do with how much the creature you're hitting has left.
  8. Thats exactly how it works, wraith I'm talking about here not the wep leech...

    Weapon leech converts your damage into life/mana/stam.
    Damage you do in wraith form from either spells or melee is a drain for mana only. (curse weapons life leech is not a drain in wraith because that is not a function of wraith form)

    Certain monsters have such high mana/regen rates that you can get away with it (like shimmering has a pretty much never ending mana supply), skeletal liches run out very quickly, try soloing one with fs.
  9. spoonyd

    spoonyd Seasoned Veteran
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    May 12, 2008
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    He is right on about all of this. Wraith forms mana leeching DOES steal MP from your opponent which is irrell against a monster such as Shim Effusion. The leeches on weaps work entirely differently.
  10. CW 40% sounds nice
    my sampire runs without parry
    bad thing on CW is the karma thing
    EoO and exspecially conc wep lasts too short on min karma
    but i guess for one big boss like shimmering its ok to use it when u refill karma after itagain
    how long does CW last on 60 SS?
  11. 5% Luck

    5% Luck Guest

    Ive been running my tamer in vamp form. when the change went in I was thinking of going wrath and using CW for leeching HP only on an as needed basis since 90% of the time im in vamp the leeching goes un used. Im sure If im not the target most times I could pull off the Karma and stay glorious. But that would be 140 SP as opposed to 99./ So i kept my vamp. The regens from vamp are worth it alone but the LL is crucial when Im figting an AoE caster Or a low life Runner(AW,Grreater).