In the past PvP threads it was pointed out how in Tram greifing happens a LOT more than in Fel, because there is nothing you can do about it. When that was pointed out a lot of posters said it was a "lie" Fel players come up with to make us feel better. Well I decided to share my expierence that just happened tonight to show it does happen and we don't just make this stuff up. I have been making a new PvP character and I have all of the skills completed except for poisoning and resist, so I decide to take it easy tonight and work resist. Even though I worked all of his other skills in Fel I decided to head to Haven to work resist the quick and easy way. So off I go to gather 6 spectral spell binders and start gaining. After about 20 minutes of good gains along comes Candance. The second this player stops at where I am at I speak to this player so it is obvious I am not AFK. Well Candance decides to use her sweet blaze of death weapon and kill the spellbinders. Once this happens off I go to gather more and I head back to the same spot. Once I get back there another character, Perry (I would be willing to bet it is the same player) comes along and throws conflag pots on the new spellbinders and kills them with his bow. At this point I politly ask him to stop since I am trying to gain skill so he decides follow me around and kill the spellbinders I am gathering, with out saying a word. At this point my frustration is mounting so I run a few screens away and I gather 6 or 7 more. I bring them back to my orgional location just to have Candance show back up and kill them yet again. So I spend 30 minutes in Tram for the first time in God knows how long, and a lovely player makes it impossible for me to acheive my goal. Yup Tram is GREAT!!!! I LOVE not being able to work a skill when I want how I want. ***EDIT*** And before it gets out of hand I am not saying EVERY Tram player does this, infact I know it is a select minority that does, but the same is said for the "nasty PvPers" that only trash talk in GC. The vast majority don't, but a few bad apples have ruined it for everyone.