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@Mesana @kyronics : Is it about time? Non PK Pet advancements..

Discussion in 'UHall' started by celticus, Jan 27, 2019.

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Pet Scroll advancements to come with non-PVP content? About time?

Poll closed Feb 26, 2019.
  1. a > YES! Add means to enable players to get pet skill advancements not requiring PVP/PK.

    16 vote(s)
    32.7%
  2. b > NO! Leave things as they are, allow Tamers to get PK'ed while doing Fel spawns!

    26 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. c > Leave PS for player chars as PVP related, but ADD PET-Specific non-PVP requiring advancements.

    7 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. MalagAste

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    It's not that you don't "see" people on Siege... if it weren't for the housing thing Siege would return to the wasteland it was with very sparse housing... save a few small pockets... Problem Siege has now is the housing thing as people who play there once in a purple moon or have put a house there and forgotten about it. They don't ever play there they show up get their gift when there is one and leave. Tell me I'm not lying.... because I know it's true. Yes there are a few players who are there... some of them quite nice... But you know what they say about a few bad apples... yeah it's true...
     
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    This. I have done plenty of PvP when I was younger. It's not a matter for me "discovering" how wonderful PvP is. I know and I don't care for it. When I get home after work, I want to relax and spend a couple of hours playing this sandbox game the way I like. If you try to force me into wasting my limited nightly play time just so that some **** could find a reason to PvP, I will go to a different game. It's sad that the devs could not or would not find a way to boost PvP without doing it at the expense of the PvMers.[/QUOTE]I'd try a different game. They won't take PS out of fel. No one seems to care they can farm other things to buy PS. You don't even have to do hard content. Go mine, kill navrey, do t maps, there's a million things to do for gold. Just because you can't get PS safely in tram doesn't mean the system is broken. I rarely PvP and have no problems getting scrolls. Even if you don't PvP, all you have to do is learn to evade/run/hide and you can try a different spawn or different time. Again, you can always go try a care bear freeshard but don't blame the devs for not bending integral game mechanics to your liking.
     
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    Also, if you like to come home, relax, and put your pet on something.....how does having a 120 whatever, as compared to a 105/110/115 whatever, affect that in any fashionable way?

    Yes some PS are, relatively, expensive. Just like if I change a suit on a toon or rework a toon or make a new toon, it costs money. I can either buy gold, farm whatever and sell it, or make-do with bleh suits. I'm a lazy turd, so I go with the 3rd option for the most part. I will gradually piecemeal a better suit together, if I like the template. I don't go hog damb wild and sink money into every stupid template I try.
     
  4. MalagAste

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    Again....... can't buy them when they are either too expensive or NOT FOR SALE... anywhere....

    I could do 80,000 TMaps and not have enough money or gold to buy scrolls for a SINGLE pet. And this is what you think I want to do for "fun"??????

    How many Navrey's would I have to do to get the $ for the scrolls for ONE pet???? 100? 1000? try more like 10x that. You people are insane if you think anyone is going to do that.

    Face it there is very little in this game that will get you that sort of income... and most of it would be a full time job not something you'd do at night to relax after a long day at work...
     
  5. Xris

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    Tmaps drop legendarys all the time. You can farm peerless, stygian dungeon, do trade runs for sots, farm resources, including unraveling (ingots, wood, imbuing mats, etc..). There's a million things to do for gold even for new chars. I mined my first year of uo and did well. Now I farm higher end stuff like peerless, renowned, paroxy etc. Save up all u can, go to atl and buy everything you need. PS aren't supposed to be that easy to get. If your on a low pop server you can farm piper all day for scrolls.
     
  6. MalagAste

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    99% of all Legendary's are Legendary crap... they aren't worth using they don't have most the things that anyone needs to make them useful..... don't kid yourself... you can make better than most Legendaries.

    Can't farm Peerless by myself, can't farm most things by myself... Surely can't do Paroxy alone.... and thanks to the DEVs can't do Doom anymore either...Can't farm anything in Fel the instant the fellies think someones doing a spawn they are circling like a bunch of hungry vultures over every spawn location for months...

    And NO I don't and won't go to Atl to buy scrolls at insane over inflated prices. Not going to happen and I'll say this most other players aren't going to do it either and even more ...... returning players get Peeved off about having to pay someone to go there or having to purchase transfer tokens... and they say to HELL WITH THIS GAME and quit again..... remembering sorely why they left in the first place... making them even less likely to ever return... is that what you all are aiming for???
     
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    Jesus Christ. MAKE A DIFFERENT TOON THAT YOU CAN DO THIS ISH ON. You sound like a fn democratic socialist. Can't do anything for yourself and poo poo on everyone else's idea, but want everything handed to you.

    If you won't go to atl to buy a damb PS, then you aren't on atl......and whatever shard you are on.....does NOT have the amount of a-holes on it that raid spawns. I'm 100000% sure you can do some damb spawns with ease on your lame-butt shard. Get off your butt and do something.

    Maybe you are just really terrible at UO.
     
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    I've been on both ends. I've farmed dead shards and I've also raided dead shards. All it takes is one half decent pk to destroy a group of pvmers. Especially true if those pvmers don't have knowledge of pvp.

    Would I give 120s to tram? No. 110's and 115 so they can bind them? Yeah it's time.
     
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    Choice number 2 was a poorly worded choice that was more than likely selected for it's "in your face" factor. Not a good poll, I answered honestly with choice 1. Now if the devs want to distinguish between a PvM pet and a PvP pet, then I'm all for it. Scale the power down on scrolled out pets and make then unusable for pvp, but give unscrolled pets PvM power by nature. No ? That's what I though lol...
     
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    I 100% agree. However, it is not hard to fend off one individual with a base knowledge of pvp by a group. I don't think the PS drop should change because of that tho. It would be akin to me taking my mule to roof and expecting to be successful. I've solo raided groups before too. All they would have to do is put down some fields and throw a heal or two. That's just baseline knowledge. I don't think ignorance should be rewarded.
     
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    I thought we lived in an era where everyone gets a participation award? Lol.
     
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    Jesus, did you really have to bring RL politics into this? Which part of "we do not find PvP enjoyable" do you not understand? Every solution you offer is just another way of PvPers taking advantage of PvMers. I am in a very demanding and competitive career in RL. I do not want to engage in high stress competitions in game. I do not want to have to spend my game time having pissing contests with people that have something to prove. In fact, based on what I see in gen chat, I want to have no interaction with your average PvPer, period. It does not mean I am lazy or stupid. It just means that I want to have full access to the essential parts of the game without being exposed to griefing. It's really not that much to ask in this day and age.
     
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    This would have 100% solved my issue. I was farming scrolls for my pet. After 1 month of being killed, stolen from, and losing hours of time each night I gave up. (No longer playing).

    The current developer team is too focused on supporting the PvP base, IMHO. PvPers make up about 10% of the population (probably less). EA should drop broadsword and hire someone else. IMHO. If they don't the game is gonna go under soon. EJ was a last ditch effort to increase subscriptions. I guarantee you this was an idea that EA executives pushed on them. Also, EJ is bringing people back for short periods of time, like a month or two. That's not gonna cut it.

    Power scrolls that are only for pets, and found in non-PvP areas sounds great.
     
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    I would argue that it's the exact opposite (Success is not something people gain by themselves, alone.). I'm sure the truth is somewhere in-between. To each their own.
     
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    You are reading something into it that is not there. Nowhere does it say that the successful people did it alone, it simply says that " a successful person has a sense of gratitude" get the chip off your shoulder and read carefully.
     
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    Successful people don't always have a sense of gratitude. That's my point. Black and white thinking is a disease. It's never that simple.
     
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    you don't have a point, you just want to troll people on a board for a game you quit playing and deleted all your characters for. Have fun with your entitlement attitude.
     
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    Only part that makes sense is the part where you talk about gen chat being a cesspool. I'm never in gen chat. It's a bunch of nerds crankin' their own junk.

    Fel spawns are easy. Been the exact same for over a decade. If you can't figure out how to rip one off in under 60 minutes, that's not the designer's fault. Bringing your tamer to a spawn is slow and lame. Don't do it. Just like I won't bring my stealth archer to roof. Common sense breeds success.
     
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    If it takes you 60 minutes to do a spawn, you will get raided, regardless of the shard. Tamers now require a huge investment in PSs, but yet you need to invest in a Sampire to get the scrolls? Is that common sense to you? This is pretty much why people are leaving.
     
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    Leaving the taming revamp pet scrolls to the PK's is idiotic. Most likely the game developers did not see ahead of time what was going to happen. Seeing things ahead is too much for them. Do they expect non-PVP players to start PVPing? May be they need a new pair of glasses to see what is actually happening.
    Also same lame excuses from the PK Clan, as always. I bet they come here and post and vote with multiple Stratics signons. I like the "anonymous" especially. Protecting your turf heh? You PKing goodie shoes come on over to ATL Fel spawns and make our acquaintance.

    By the way : I play exclusively PVP, and consider it an insult to be called a PKer. Me and guildies hunt down PKers in spawns or anywhere. Yes we do spawns, but do not terrorize other people. We have farmed the spawns forever, and have gotten and sold tons of PS and still have plats of PS to sell, but don't attack other players unless they harass others, are red, or try to PK someone at a spawn or attack one of us. Our guild code.
    We enjoy a good fight otherwise, but PVP, good fun play with others that are equal, and not PK.
    Tamer folk don't want PVP. Leave them alone, lol. Come and join us in ATL, and in gen chat yell "Maker" or
    "I want to meet my Maker" :cool:and come join us and see first hand what we do. Lets go to spawns together and hunt reds lol.
     
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    Not this again. Pvp is part this video game, its that simple. If you don't like it play a different game like Mario brothers. :facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    I doubt they are talking about or knocking PVP. Read the posts : They are talking PK that is an uneven, unfair PVP form. A little more "complex" socially than good old honorable great PVP. All my guildies feel this way also. Come and PVP me in ATL.
     
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    Railshot....use....a...different....template....

    Not every template is efficient at every event/activity in UO. Tamers have their spot, but they suck for spawns.
     
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    That is one way to see it: Pure incompetence. I tried to see it like this too, but after years and years of those decisions you start to wonder if it really can be incompetence or who is having Mesanna's ear on those decisions.
     
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    PvP in this game revolves around players who build PvP characters killing players who don't have a PvP character and have no interest in PvP. That's bad by design. The developers have never fixed it. They could stop all PvP right now, and only a small minority of players would care. They could all cancel their accounts and it wouldn't matter. You would regain 5 fold the people you lose, probably 10 fold.
     
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    This is the premise UO was based on.... It's been 20+ years, I think it's working well. The shards are still on. Again, there are carebear free shards to try if you don't like it. PS have been in fel 16 years, no need to change that. If people quitting because of this was a big deal, they would have fixed it.
     
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    People are quitting because of this. They've just failed miserably to understand why. There's a video that covers this, posted by the original creators of the game. It's dated for last year. In it, they state 50% of the player base quit, back in the day, due to the PvP system.

    It's no different today. It's the one glaring problem that drives us all away. In said video, only 10% of the player base was interested in PvP. Thus, stopping PvP would impact only 10% of the current pop. Like I said, you could delete their accounts and it would have close to no impact on the game.
     
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    50% of people quit because they made pvp item based, not because pvm got harder. Lots of people quit when tram came out too. If you think PS in fel is such a game killer, I challenge everyone who believes this to close all their accts and write that as the reason in the comments on quitting page.
     
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    Tens of thousands of people have quit, just most don't care enough to come share their experience. I have thousands of hours vested and thousands of dollars. Wanted to share my experience. I'd love to come back to a functional game, headed in the right direction. Instead, the roadmap for 2019 is more of the same. That is, more people quitting.
     
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    It doesn't matter if its pvp or pking, its still all part of the game. If you decide to go at it solo in a spawn and a guild shows up to raid you, oh well you lose. Its a risk vs reward system, you either get it finished or you get raided. Make some friends and spawn together to protect one another or don't bother to go. There is always the option of doing other stuff for gold and using it to pay for your scrolls. I don't really care to take an hour to do the roof each time cause it wastes too much time for only a chance of a drop. The dev team dropped the ball on the pet revamp anyway, it shouldn't have gone from nothing to full floodgates of upgrades. But that's our dev team, lazy and useless. They did the same thing with global loot, everyone just wanted a slightly better loot setup then can be gotten through crafting. They instead just said screw it and allowed everything to spawn on a single piece, another decision that has ruined UO.
     
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    It can easily be removed, or pushed to a single shard. It doesn't have to be a part of the game. Most of the player base doesn't like it. Most of the player base has quit because of it. It's an easy fix really.
     
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    Theres no reason to remove it. If you play call of duty and people shoot at you do you write letters to the creaters of the game and say remove the bullets from my enemy. That's how dumb this conversation is!
     
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    I have a hard time imagining whats left on CoD if you take weapons out.
    OTOH UO I played without any PvP for years.

    Your don't have to agree, but calling it straight dumb only shows your ignorance towards any other opinion than yours.
     
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    I beg to differ sir. The necro tamer with the right pet is as or better at clearing spawns than samps.
     
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    Your other thread states you're quitting. If so then just quit and stop trying to take as many people as you can with you. Spawns and powerscrolls have been out for 16 years now (age of shadows Feb 2003), located the same spots with the same rules.
     
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    I clear a spawn in 10 minutes. 1 in 10 a red shows up. Can not kill me but prevents me from finishing spawn. Sometimes there are 2 reds, the one gets killed everytime but they refuse to let me just finish the spawn. They also wait for the boss. This is ridiculous sometimes I try to kill the boss and just evade their attacks but this takes forever. Seriously why do I have to deal with this griefing for somebody elses enjoyment? This is a broken system. Make some reprocussion for attacking a blue and running some kind of negative honor. How about if you leave the spawn area alive you can’t come back for 5 minutes.
     
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    I’m 25 days away from being A Cat. Returned after a 5 year break. Pet revamp caused this issue. Give pet PS at Tram spawns. The old ststem stays intact. This really is about sorry retirees with their social security and 24/7 play time controlling content that returning players want to do.

    Also I have farmed the roof, have every drop. However I don’t want to give items away and don’t want to lose 100s of millions putting it on a vendor on a dead shard.

    And now we’re to the shard shield problem.

    This game is broken AF for a returning player. I got my feels and my fix. I’ll be gone soon. I can go on an endless grind in Diablo or Borderlands and not deal with griefers.
     
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    In the next 25 days im going to build a new 7x sampire ill farm all the imbuing mats ind use only imbued gear (until i get drops) and see if I can solo the roof without ever needing to step foot in Fel. I will be able to do anything I want in the game as a sampire without EVER needing to go to fel.

    You can’t even train a pet without 110 taming and lore. Where do you get 110 scrolls? Oh ya, Fel. Pancake that omlet!
     
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    From a different perspective, those that only do the raiding of spawns and pvp will only enjoy that content. For those of you that enjoy the pvm aspect of it, you have multiple places to slay beasts that are far more profitable. You said you farm roof. Selling one cameo will net you enough gold to scroll an entire character and pet.

    This is a MMO afterall. It was made for people to do different things and co-exist with different playstyles.
     
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    Oh, yeah, one of the biggest "How can we take a bad situation (low pop shards) and make it worse" moments in UO history. At least, hopefully, the new vendors will help a little bit.

    This is pretty much it. Encouraging a system where a minority abuses the majority is the best way to drive this majority to other games. But hey, at lease we can keep the PvP system that witnessed a steady decline of players over the last 20 years.
     
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    So we should be forced to a single experience because PvP is so important? Remember, a very small minority even care about PvP. If anything PvP should be relegated to single area or spawn of the game, with only rewards tailored to PvP. Or a PvP shard. Lots of good ways to fix the issue. Or let the game go under. You know.
     
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    There are tram rulesets and multiple things in 5 facets. PvP is limited to 1. ONE. They are the ones forced to a single experience.

    They are a very small minority but reality is that minority are the ones buying gold RMT and buying the most expensive top end gear from the ones that farm.

    Lol the game isn't going to go under because fel has 1 item. Being overdramatic about it are we?
     
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    ITs not a opinion its a fact, this game is designed this way, if it wasn't it wouldn't be called UO. IF you don't like the mechanics of the game then don't play it. Its not going away ever. Hence all your opinions on how everyone should play your way is false.
     
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    This is off topic but...

    I suggested removing PK. Make VvV current pk ruleset no tram if you’re VvV. Give new otherwise unobtainable artifacts as drops on champion spawns to VvV members (sash, earrings, boots). Blues can go to Fel and not VvV but cant interact with VvV or flag VvV as they currently do. All PvP would be consensual and there would be no way to reap the rewards of VvV artifacts in Tram.

    Anyway. My vote will continue to be make PvM scrolls drop in Tram. Or remove all restrictions from pets and let them just slay PKs. They still have to catch them and my tamer is still probably on foot. Oh but the madness! You didnt have to pay 5 plat for an OP faceroll suit and your dismount mare 3 shots me and I cant run!

    Ha, pvp is such a pancakeing omlet show.
     
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  46. MalagAste

    MalagAste Belaern d'Zhaunil
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    I'm sorry but if killing a lone player at a champ spawn gives you a thrill when 9 times out of 10 they can't even fight back how sad and pathetic is that???

    What peeves me is the PvP community claim they Love the fight..... But it's shown 100x over that they don't really love the "fight"... they just like to kill sheeple...

    That isn't PvP IMO... it's lame.
     
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  47. A Cat

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    If they made a Non-PvP shard, every other shard would become a ghost town. I'd restart a character there. I challenge the Devs to do this. It would shed light on the problems with this game.

    Edit: Do not allow any transfer or any xfers to this shard. Give players time to prepare by setting a launch date. The exodus from all other shards would be unreal. Call it "Trammel". Locate it, in the most central area of the US. Do the same for Europe and Asia.

    Problem solved.
     
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    They’d get a couple hundred new subs too because clowns would have to have another castle or Luna house!

    +1 I’d roll over. I have 0 desire to PvP I just want to grind in peace. Like I said before whats the worst thing that happens? Somebody shows up and moves this spawn along faster? They already implemented the replica drops as rewards for the long haulers.
     
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  49. A Cat

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    Exactly, I don't care about getting all the scrolls. I just want to make my character and I don't want some PKer in my way. It servers no purpose to how I want to play. Broadsword. Make a Non-PvP shard. Please!
     
  50. celticus

    celticus Babbling Loonie

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    No..PS's significance has not been in the game for 16 years! It has been only for 1.5 years or so, since the taming revamp. And it has been a much more painful problem than ever, ever since the revamp. Got tp state the facts.