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My thoughts

Discussion in 'UO Oceania' started by thenow, Jun 10, 2009.

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  1. Paradox_

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    'What you know is wrong' - this is so subjective.

    As has been stated - someone calling me a ugly fat nerd accountant or a newb bokuto bushider dexer - both dont insult me in the slightest. But someone may come in and say 'oh that was offensive to his profession *click*' when really they had no right too, and didnt involve them at all.

    If you noticed, the people who reported the insults 1. probably wasnt even involved but wanted to tbe the moral police or 2. started the insults first, it got worse, they retailiated, couldnt handle it, then reported.

    I wish more people were like siyeng. I dont even know the guy, he might be a trammy or whatever, but the guy clearly can distinguish what is words on a forum and what is real, and can clearly see that over censoring something which has very clear warnings is doing no good.

    You say kids can go in and view it - well their parents should be more observant. There are MANY more horrific things on the internet which are alot easier accessed than a thread calling someone a fat housie.
     
  2. Ovrkill

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    *ding*
    Sorry sir, you are incorrect. I will not tell you who reports, or why, all i can say is you are so way off target.

    and if someone does report a post in that thread, it is my decision to take action on it or not, not someone elses, and i can clearly see through the rubbish.

    Yes people have reported when they were they ones who started the insults in the first place, and those are the ones that i have left (taking out whats really bad in between of course) because they dug their own grave.

    You do NOT see the half of what i do on this forum, you can not possible fathom the amount of times i have stepped in and removed threads before anyone else has noticed. So dont sit there and try and guess.

    i have also said in the past, if you report a post and it is actually you that started the mess, or have taken part in the mess, you will also get an infraction, you win NO points with me by reporting a post.

    Yup your right, but it has to start somewhere, and I will not allow that crap to be seen by people who can not think for themselves and decide on what is right and wrong... Other websites may have an issue with not policing their own content and affecting the minds of innocents, but that is not going to happen here. Hence i have put my foot down and wont budge till you guys smarten up your act.

    nuff said ??
     
  3. Benny Lava

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    TY.
     
  4. Petra Fyde

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    This information is incorrect, mods can not edit user's posts, nor should they be able to.

    The definition of 'personal attack', as supplied to Siege players by Orvago
    Where to prove you can argue without resorting to childish name calling? Well, how about in this thread. How do you think you're doing so far?

    I can also confirm, from other shard and general boards, that the people who report posts are almost always the same people who's posts are reported.
     
  5. Paradox_

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    lol what? You want to stop us from saying bad things in case a child makes their way onto stratics, click the oceania forum (of all the available ones), clicks the pvp thread (of all the available ones), can actually READ what is going on, and then have a cry?

    I want to meet this super intelligent child you speak of.

    It is easier typing 'sex' into google.
     
  6. Paradox_

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    Petra Fyde: Stop acting so condescending and treating us like children.

    If an adult came up to me and started treating me the way you are, I would tell them to go **** themselves.

    You want us to act with respect, you need to also give it and not treat us like we are 5.
     
  7. Petra Fyde

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    The answer to that one is so obvious I don't think I can bring myself to type it.

    I'm out of here unless I'm needed.
     
  8. Petrify

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    What should occur is:

    1. A personal insult will only be deleted if the person it was directed at finds it offensive and reports it.
    2. Players who insult somebody first, then get personally insulted and report the post, that post will not be deleted.
    3. Players who willingly "bait" somebody into personally insulting them will not have posts which they consider offensive be deleted.

    Example of 1:
    "LOL i owned you Y." - X
    "X your a fat nerd with absolutely no life and you have no chance of succeeding" - Y.
    If X finds that offensive he may report it.

    Example of 2:

    "Y, you are an absolute nerd" - X
    "X, your a fat nerd with absolutely no life" - Y.

    X may not report that post for being offensive.

    Example of 3:
    "LOL, how's your mum going, Y?" - X
    "Shut up you fat nerd" - Y

    X may not report that for being offensive as they baited.

    If these rules were actually implemented, I would expect some sort of chivalry between pvpers as to not dog each other out for "finding something offensive". If a trammelite enters the thread and unknowingly insults somebody - they should expect to be personally insulted and should not report the post.

    If only you had had that sense from the beginning.
     
  9. Lord Gareth

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    Thanks for the clear up on the Mod thing with posts.


    Last question. Since this thread is discussing a mod decision how come this isn't locked like the others?
     
  10. Petrify

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    It is because the person who started it shares the same stance as the mods. Further proof of their blatant bias.
     
  11. Ovrkill

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    the above quote is actually an infraction....

    Pet, how about you get your facts straight before you start running your mouth off eh ?
    your so called proof is all guess work, you take parts of what others say to try and bolster your claims.
    You dont know what i think, so i would appreciate you not jumping the gun and shooting yourself in the foot with guesses.

    your poor attempt at spinning this thread to your cause isnt working.
    It might work on other forums mate, but it wont work here.
    And the more you try and pull this type of stunt, and anyone else for that matter, the further you will push back the pvp thread coming back.

    I left this thread open because there was need of understanding and clarification as the the current position of the pvp thread, and it appears that I have to continually repeat myself due to the failure of people who cant, or shall i say dont want to, read and understand what is said.
    Dont shoot off at the mouth when you have only read half of whats said, read it all.

    when i read the following in the other thread:
    I had seriously considered bringing it back. It was well written and done in a very adult fashion. I thought you guys had turned full circle and would do the right thing. But after a days worth of rubbish comments and slander, you have dashed the chances of it coming back at all. And this was from both sides of the fence.

    I have asked you all over the past few months to prove you are adults and can do the right thing... so far, your proving the opposite.


    So it comes down to this....


    IF i bring back the PVP thread, and i mean IF, would the rest of you be able to take up the challenge and keep it to what it should be, which is listed in the rules i put on the first post. Because if you go back down the path of pathetic personal insults of a degrading nature to ones real life, i will remove the PVP thread permanently.

    and i cant stress enough that this is not, and i repeat NOT, a private thread, so the no holds bared approach will not be accepted.

    *note to trammies*
    If i reopen the pvp thread, and you decide to go in there and cause trouble to try and get it shut down, you will feel the full blunt force of infractions.
     
  12. BBurnyeWest

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    I completely agree with pet's rules. If these rules were implemented our pvp thread would be perfectly fine. Honestly its pretty sad if you get offended by someone you probably dont even know bagging you out over the internet anyway. As for the trams just dont read the posts if you dont like what goes on in the pvp thread.
    Ovrkill i suggest you actually take into thought of what petrify has said and consider actually using these rules he has stated.
     
  13. Paradox_

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    'no its my way and my way only because IM THE MODERATOR'

    You treat us like children so how do you expect us to behave? You want us to show respect etc but you treat us with the same Ovrkill.
     
  14. Ovrkill

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    Nope, I cant do that, and i will show you why.

    1. A personal insult will only be deleted if the person it was directed at finds it offensive and reports it.
    Reason: This does not cover personal insults of a nature that a lot of people will find offensive, and this also opens the doors to personal insults that are not acceptable under any rule.
    2. Players who insult somebody first, then get personally insulted and report the post, that post will not be deleted.
    Reason: Personal insults of this nature must be completely removed and not left behind for others to read. This just causes more trolling and further personal insults which escalate and send the thread into a spiral of destruction. This also creates a massive loophole within the rules and allows people to personally insult one another and get away with it.
    What would happen is, and i have previously stated this, if someone reports an insult that they have drawn first blood to, they will also get the infraction, it will be a double wammy.
    3. Players who willingly "bait" somebody into personally insulting them will not have posts which they consider offensive be deleted.
    Reason: Within the PVP thread there will be a lot of baiting, and due to peoples different interpretations of what is actually written and the meaning behind it, this would be a very hard rule to enforce. It would have to be based on a degree of severity. Some baiting in the PVP thread would be acceptable, because thats what its all about, where as others would be removed because of taking it too far. This would have to be done on a case by case basis
     
  15. Petrify

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    Not a chance of him using them. Not a single chance. He hates me too much to ever accept anything I say.

    Exactly.

    Then you are not doing your job as a moderator. Not only that you are discussing a moderators actions so you should in fact give yourself an infraction.

    What "proof" do you have of this? Since your so big on proof, surely you could provide me some, or is your proof merely guess work?

    I know exactly what you think and how you think and you've behaved exactly as I thought you would. You have come out and blatantly singled me out, ignored my larger post which I put out there specifically because I knew you would ignore it. Guess what? You ignored it.

    It is simply further proof of your blatant bias against me and the fact that you are unfit to be a moderator of this shards forum.

    Are you joking? Really, you must be joking. There was already one very worthy thread (Trammies one) and you locked that one because the OP did not support your thoughts. In fact, you actually did not give a reason for locking it. You just shut it down because it was of no help to your cause.

    Perhaps if you want us to acknowledge and understand what you say, maybe you should listen to what the vast majority of this shard has said.

    The simple matter of this issue is we have a moderator who chooses to selectively read and respond to whatever he wants to. A moderator should be completely impartial to all parties posting, yet Ovrkill you continually prove that you aren't. I cannot complain to an admin of stratics because they do not like me, they ignore whatever I say. So you know what?

    If you support my cause and agree that Ovrkill should no longer be a moderator on the Oceania board, send me a PM. They can ignore me but they cannot ignore everybody.

    Edit: HAHA what do you know he posts the exact minute as mine and responds to my larger post... Guess what! He didn't agree with a word of it.
     
  16. Petrify

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    The words of a man who has never played sport. In professional leagues for sports they might not banter much, however in lower leagues/U18s it's a major part of the game.
     
  17. Ovrkill

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    you really think so ?

    So after more then 2 years of having the PVP thread open for you all to use, and now shutting it down because it got out of control is not showing you respect ? If i had no respect for the pvpers, i would have never given them the chance to have their own specialised thread for them to let loose in...
    What the forum is like now is what it was like before i brought the PVP thread in. And you have not been a part of this community long enough to know that.
    (yes the forum was more active back then because there was a larger player base and more people to post threads)

    think you need to take a few steps back and re evaluate

    You should be grateful that im here on this forum, otherwise you would have no chance at all.

    Im not biased towards trammies, and not for the pvpers either. Im neutral and treat both sides equally. Even though you dont see it nor have any idea how hard it is to try and keep that balance.
     
  18. Petrify

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    You basically just admitted that it's okay for Katlene ect to bait us, but its not okay for us to respond back.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Petrify

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    See you continually talk about how good you are, and how if it wasn't for you ect. You are the classic example of a power tripping moderator.

    We aren't grateful. We don't want you. I think the message should have sunk in.
     
  20. Paradox_

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    lol what? I have posted on stratics for years, and played the game since 99.

    who says we need a specialised thread? why cant we just make our threads about it? but you lock every single one that pops up and basically cutting any avenue we have to talk about it - THAT is harming the community and if you cant see that, then I dont think you should be in a position to represent that community. what if we had someone that shut down all the little trammie 'omg a fish' threads? they would complain to NO end. can you therefore blame us when we want us to jsut be able to discuss pvp?

    jesus mate, i cannot believe how blind and stubborn you are being.
     
  21. Paradox_

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    Further, I honestly dont see how hard it is to 'keep the balance'. I doubt you have to moderate ANY of the trammie threads when the PvP thread is around. There might have to be some in the PvP thread because of what YOU consider inappropriate (whereas the ones involved do not). Tell me, for those few months when there was no PvP thread and hardly any threads on this forum, what did you exactly have to moderate? I would wager very little.
     
  22. Ovrkill

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    you dont want me because i wont give you what you selfishly want for pvp, you want the rules changed to suit you, and then you cry about it when they are not.

    BAD LUCK! it wont happen.

    If i was a power tripping moderator i would have just banned you and many others and never given you a chance to post in this forum....
    so your damn right, if it wasnt for me you would have been out on your ear years ago. And im sure there are many others in this forum who would agree with that. It has been a level playing field on both sides.

    I have kept you pvpers in this forum, what you claim im doing completely contradicts that.... get a grip man!
     
  23. Ovrkill

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    *laughs*

    BECAUSE YOU CANT KEEP WITHIN THE RULES OF POSTING FOR NORMAL THREADS OUTSIDE PVP.

    How many times do you have to be told ?!?!?!?!?

    like i have said previously, MANY of the trammie threads have also been heavily moderated, you dont know that because you dont see it.
     
  24. Petrify

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    Again you ignore my larger post and any valid points that people make.

    So we ignore your rules.

    Two way street.
     
  25. Ovrkill

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    nice try once again to twist my words pet, again you failed.

    Within the PVP thread the smack talk is baiting, and you know what the rules of that pvp thread say in regards to that.

    this is a classic example of you only posting part of what someone says to justify what you are claiming.

    this is that part in full:
    Within the PVP thread there will be a lot of baiting, and due to peoples different interpretations of what is actually written and the meaning behind it, this would be a very hard rule to enforce. It would have to be based on a degree of severity. Some baiting in the PVP thread would be acceptable, because thats what its all about, where as others would be removed because of taking it too far. This would have to be done on a case by case basis

    Do you understand what that means pet ???

    i doubt it, seeing it shoots a hole right through what you have posted. It means the opposite of what you said, and it more defends you then puts you in a bad position.

    Use everything i type mate, not just want you want to read.
     
  26. Paradox_

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    I give up.

    You clearly cant see what anyone is trying to say, except those that agree with you, which, of those that actually post IN OCEANIA, number in the few, whereas the PvPers or people in support of the thread returning far outweight that.

    Go back to 'heavily moderating' threads about fishing and people returning and taming greater dragons. I am sure its a difficult job.
     
  27. Petrify

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    See, you use an arrogant and condescending tone.

    In the context of this sentence you clearly state "Some baiting in the PvP thread would be acceptable, because thats what its all about", the rest of your paragraph is completely irrelevant.

    You yourself say that the PvP thread is about baiting people... I thought it was about PvP? If it was about baiting people then you should expect that personal insults.

    This clearly proves you are more interested in people insulting each other than discussion of PvP.

    I just figured it all out. Who are the other people on this forum who put spaces in between question marks?

    Answer: Thenow, Avenger and Buster.

    What do they all have in common?

    _ _ _ _ _
     
  28. Ovrkill

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    Dont these 2 contradict each other ?? oopppsss maybe you should reread before posting.

    because it was far more derailed then this one was, and this one has been heavily moderated and you dont know that because you dont see it.
    This thread has equally both sides.

    I will not break the rules, or the "special pvp rules" that have been put in place to make you or anyone else happy, regardless of how many people think that way. If your that unhappy about it, go somewhere else and post. Simple!

    Complete and utter rubbish.
    Most of the people who get their threads deleted from this forum and get their infractions actually dont cry about it and make it public knowledge that they got their butts wooped. Most are actually pretty good and understanding of why they get their infractions. All infractions are viewed by admin every single day, and there hasnt been on in this forum that has been over turned by admin. You dont know what happens in the back ground, you cant see it, so you have NO right to comment on it.

    Each message you send admin is listened to, they talk about it amongst the team, nothing is taken lightly and thrown to the trash. There is a record of each and every complaint that is made about any of the forums on stratics.

    Read previous post! it has a classic example and PROOF of exactly what you do.
     
  29. Ovrkill

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    mate, your continually trying to twist this and it isnt working....
    smack talk (in game baiting) as it states within the pvp rules, personal insults on the other hand are not accepted, as stated within the pvp rules.

    once again, you take some of whats said to suit yourself. Thats really a bad habit of yours.
     
  30. Ovrkill

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    NO!
    I can clearly see whats being said, and i have also said i wouldnt mind bringing back the pvp thread, but if you cant stick to the rules then it wont happen.

    Regardless of how many people want the thread back, i will not allow what is requested because this is NOT A PRIVATE FORUM....... man! another thing i have to say a million times.
     
  31. Ovrkill

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    again ?? you contradicted yourself in the one post last time pet, and now your completely wrong again.

    Stop jumping the gun.
     
  32. Petrify

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    Hook, line and sinker.

    I knew you would pull me up on every point that you think I'm wrong on, which as we can all see is every single major point... except one.

    Take a look for which one that is. Actually I'll help you guys out.

    Ovrkill:

    My reply, this was the only point major point he chose to not respond to:

     
  33. Petrify

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    First of all, you have no idea what baiting is. Smack talk is not baiting,
     
  34. Ovrkill

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    by definition, smack talk is about baiting pet.

    you bait your opponent into an argument with smack talk/trash talk

    By definition: (2 examples)
    1: smack talk as the player that clutters communication channels involving baiting and outrageous claims about how one side is better/worse than the other
    2:Trash-talk is a form of boast or insult commonly heard in competitive situations (such as sports events). It is often used to intimidate the opposition, but can also be used in a humorous spirit. Trash-talk is often characterized by hyperbolic, figurative language, e.g., "Your team can't run! You run like honey on ice!" Puns and other wordplay are commonly used. However, citing information about a rival's weaknesses would not be characterized as trash-talk, but could be described as a "discussion topic" (which might foster a trash-talk situation)

    trash talk is a form of baiting.
     
  35. Ovrkill

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    this is where you really are blind, i actually said it previously in the thread, looks like you missed it pet, and that was the reason why this one was left open.

    nice try again, but of course you fail.
     
  36. Ovrkill

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    this thread is over.

    you can all read it and make your own decisions

    if you have an issue, take it up with admin.
     
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