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One Question

Discussion in 'UO Spiels N Rants' started by Syfka, Jul 14, 2008.

  1. Syfka

    Syfka Guest

    When are the people with the greater dragons going to realize that others CAN'T open a door, chest, corpse, etc with the dragons standing on top of it? I'm not saying that all people with greater dragons are this way but seriously it is a huge pain in the butt when you help someone kill something and then you cant loot it because a huge dragon butt is in the way. Thats all im saying.
  2. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    Object handles.

    When are people with swamp dragons going to realise that you can't drop things onto an NPC with a giant multiped pickle standing in the way.
    The list could go on...
  3. Faith

    Faith Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    May 12, 2008
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    Ctrl + Shift

    Have a nice day.
  4. Syfka

    Syfka Guest

    I agree with you the list could and dose go on and on and on. and as far as object handles or ctrl+shift the doors dont show up with ctrl+shift.:twak::cursing:
  5. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    I did think of that, while running the Ethereal Whateveritis...
    There's an ingame macro function of "OpenDoor" which I've been using, because daemons are really big, too.
  6. Orvago

    Orvago Stratics' Finest
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    Feb 26, 2004
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    Yep, the OpenDoor macro had been a life-save of mine for soo many many years. I always set it to either F5, F7 or Insert depending on which character I was playing.
  7. legendsguy

    legendsguy Sage
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    Jun 7, 2008
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    You damn tamers think you're so great. Try actually fighting for a change. Pathetic.
  8. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    I always just ctrl+shift anyway, even when I can see the corpse.
    Since double-clicking works anywhere on the handle that comes up, whereas it doesn't always work everywhere on a corpse. Plus, you can right-click a handle to get rid of it, which you can't do on a corpse.
    Overall, the handles system is more robust than using the corpses directly (with the obvious exception of situations like the Magincia invasion). I'm not going to claim it doesn't happen, or that it's inconceivable that it does, but I tend to wonder why people don't use handles.

    That's a pretty weak attack on tamers, too...
  9. Parson

    Parson Guest

    It does tend to get annoying when you wear your index finger out clicking away at all those bars.
  10. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    I use my middle finger to right-click.

    Although, in KR, you can filter handles.
  11. Syfka

    Syfka Guest

    This is so true it is annoying and and in regards to the following statement "I use my middle finger to right-click.
    Although, in KR, you can filter handles." not everyone uses KR and i could make a list of reasons as to why myself and others do not thank you very much
  12. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    That's your [gaily coloured] choice.
    Just pointing out that there are alternatives, and you're choosing to complain, rather than dealing with it.

    Ultimately, nothing's going to change.
    The tamers won't draw their dragons away, for your convenience, because you ranted about it.
    Hell, they wouldn't do it if you asked nicely.
  13. Syfka

    Syfka Guest

    The title of the page is called "Spiels N Rants" thats what it is for is to bi*** about stupid stuff or do you not realize this?
  14. Parson

    Parson Guest

    KR sucks! It was made for the 3D whiners and only about 10% of the people play it and out of that only about 10% of them actually play it all the time. The other 90% use it to craft items.
  15. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    I didn't suggest, for a moment, that this wasn't the right place for it.
    However, you should be willing to accept the criticism your pancakes will attract.
    You might say, I'm pancakes about people who won't solve their own problems, and instead choose to whine about it on the internet.

    You have any proof for your numbers?
    Or is it just more of the same ****, spawned from the keyboards of "stuck record" malcontents?
  16. Salty Pete

    Salty Pete Guest

    There are two topics here so I'll address both...

    Tamers... The pets standing in the way have never bothered me. The pets move eventually so there really isn't anything to complain about. If you are truly that impatient figure out a way around the problem.

    The new client... KR looks like **** that's why I personally don't use it. The 2D client has that old school super nintendo look to it that gives me a nice nostalgic glow as I play.
  17. Parson

    Parson Guest

    I am in 2 different guilds and both have over 75 in each guild. Out of the 2 guilds only 9 people play KR and out of the 9 only 2 play it all the time. The other 7 only use it for crafting purposes.
  18. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    O... K...
    I'm guessing you're not familiar with the idea of a representative sample?

    I'll assume that you mean 75 different players in each guild, for a total of 150.
    Let's say 200, because a larger number favours you, and it'll be easier to do calculations in my head with a multiple of 100

    Now, mmogchart seems to suggest UO has slightly over 75,000 active subscriptions. Let's round that up to 80,000, again, for ease of calculation.
    Another assumption, that the average person has 2 active subscriptions. some have more, but many only play with a single account.

    So, 200 players out of a total of 40,000 makes a tidy little 0.5%

    Now, to add a little more perspective...
    Guilds are social groups.
    Social groups tend to form around an ideal, or activity, and as such attract a limited cross-section of the whole; those with similar interests. In essence, it will not attract people who are not interested in what the guild stands for.
    So, your 0.5% of the total player-base, is not only small, but also will not cover the possible range of play-styles and personal biases.
  19. Parson

    Parson Guest

    Less than 0.5% works for the television networks (about 5000 households determine what you watch) and the Gallop polls. It also works here as well.
  20. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    When you looked up that stuff, did you bother to read up on how they select the people that participate?

    That's the fundamental point... So, I'll try and illustrate it...
    If you ask PKs what is bad for the game, they'll likely say Trammel.
    If you ask a crafter what's bad for the game, they'll likely say resource randomisation.
    If you ask a merchant what's bad for the game, they'll likely say duping.
    If you ask any group of people, who are united with common interests, a question. They'll generally answer it differently to those united with a different interest.
    So, you need to ask different people, with different backgrounds and interests, so as to avoid biased results.

    The smaller the sample size, unless you're deliberately selecting people with different backgrounds and interests, the more likely your sample will be subject to bias.

    So, to your "It also works here as well"...
    No, it doesn't.

    In your credit, though.
    I don't believe you're deliberately biasing your sample, in order to get results to support your own opinions.
    I could name a handful that would.
    I believe you genuinely don't realise the problems with your sample.

    Incidentally, I don't entirely disagree with the "few people use KR" point of view, either.
    What I do disagree with is the presentation of weak or biased evidence, to support an argument.
  21. Parson

    Parson Guest

    And so you are trying to insinuate that I'm stupid? I'm not long winded, I get to the point. Details bore most people. My stats are true. And who is to say it doesn't work here?
  22. Atlantian

    Atlantian Guest

    I also play in a large guild and not a one of my guild mates play KR. And about the tamers. Their large pets can be annoying at times. But I like them on peerless runs.
  23. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    If I wanted to convey that I thought you were stupid, then I would have said so.
    In fact, what I was trying to insinuate, is that maybe statistics is not your strong suit.

    If it was, you'd be either:
    A.) Agreeing with me.
    B.) Correcting my analysis of your statistics.
    Instead, you are:
    C.) Going all defensive, and kicked-puppy on me.

    I never said your stats weren't "true".
    What I said was that your sample was "not representative of the playerbase as a whole".
    There is a rather stark difference, that I see you're missing here.
  24. Atlantian

    Atlantian Guest

    This thread needs to be locked.
  25. RenaLynne

    RenaLynne Guest

    LOL I have a tamer and also a greater dragon, I STILL think it is annoying when its my own drag!:D What are you gonna do though? UO created dragons, not tamers, and you're honestly going to tell me that if you had a tamer you wouldnt own the lastest and greatest pet?;)
  26. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    When did you get made a mod?
  27. Atlantian

    Atlantian Guest

    That's funny. :hahaha:
  28. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    I am laughing, but not at my post.
  29. Atlantian

    Atlantian Guest

    Agreed and I'm working my tamer up so I can get one.
  30. Parson

    Parson Guest

    I play with a few tamers and they park their dragons outside of buildings/houses which is great. But these players that take their dragons with them and park them right on top of the doors are just rude.
  31. christy1221

    christy1221 Slightly Crazed
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    May 12, 2008
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    Sometimes I only have one hand to play with so using ctrl shift isn't always an option.

    I don't dislike tamers at all. If it weren't for tamers I would die a lot more trying to fight melissa. On my mage I couldn't fight her at all without them there.

    I do find it annoying when pets stand on the corpse but I also find it annoying when people will put their characters on top of corpses and the turn in guys.
  32. Syfka

    Syfka Guest

    I agree with you, this is very annoying and im glad to see some people who can actually stay on topic.:thumbsup:
  33. Atlantian

    Atlantian Guest


    That's annoying as well.