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Parry for Mages?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Fortyniner, Jul 6, 2008.

  1. Fortyniner

    Fortyniner Guest

    I've never seen Parry listed in a mage template. But with the quite decent spell-channeling shields around now, it seems to me it might be better than wrestling. Does anybody out there use it?
  2. Pickaxe Pete

    Pickaxe Pete Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Oct 27, 2000
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    I suppose if one were to use a mage weapon full-time, the defensive angle would be taken care of and thus the skill could be spent on parry instead of anatomy or wrestling.

    120 magery (real) with +20 mage skill items on top of that
    120 eval
    120 med
    120 parry
    100 scribe

    The remaining 120-140 skill points could be used for resist, or focus, or spirit speak/necro (especially with midnight bracers) or spellweaving.

    one-handed SC, -20 mage weapon at all times.
  3. K'torr

    K'torr Guest

    I believe for Parry to work in PvP, your Dex has to be 80 min. Which really cuts back on your Mana Pool.

    Not sure if the 80 Min is needed for PvM.

    Also, all thing being equal, 120 Parry vs 120 Weapon skill = blocks 35% of attacks.
    120 Wrestle vs 120 weapon skill = blocks 50% of attacks.

    At least according to stratics. Not sure if accurate.
  4. Fortyniner

    Fortyniner Guest

    I actually tried soulstoning scribe and loading up tactics, to make the mage weapon more meaningful. But that way I miss the slayer spell books and scrappers.

    My mage has been a pure mage for 9 years (if you count nox, which he's now traded for weaving), but the newer items do make one start rethinking templates. I've never had a lot of success with Tanks, largely because of the stat problem. but soulstones let me do a lot of experimentation. I was wondering whether others were thinking along the same lines.
  5. Faith

    Faith Journeyman
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    May 12, 2008
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    Pvp wise
    Go for something simple...


    If you can fit some scribe in there, great.
  6. Pickaxe Pete

    Pickaxe Pete Lore Master
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    Oct 27, 2000
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    Yes, but the mage weapon at 120 effective magery (due to the plus skill items) will block that 50% of attacks by itself (DCI of defender and HCI of attacker being equal) , without parry or a shield. The parry blocking would be on top of that.
  7. K'torr

    K'torr Guest

    True, but I was interpreting the OP as completely replacing Wrestle with Parry for defense, without the benefit of Mage Weapons.
    The difficulty would be in getting good -20 Mage weapons, and then HAVING to use Jewls to get back the lost points. Artifact Mage weapons are all Staffs I believe, and are two handed, thus not allowing the use of Shields. And with one handed Mage weapons and a shield, the player would not be able to use potions.
  8. Well my PvP mage has parry and the temp is:

    120 Parry
    110 Mage
    120 Eval
    120 Resist
    120 Fencing
    90 tactics (need for sp moves such as bleed and disarm)
    60 Med

    I have base dex of 70 but with suit it puts me at 80 and if i use a pot then bless i can get over 100 dex.

    I also have max DCI on the suit.

  9. Doomsday Dragon

    Doomsday Dragon Visitor

    Jun 11, 2008
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    I still see parry and disarm mages running around but I think one reason there are less is because most opt for magic resistance over parry or the ability to disarm.
  10. Draxous

    Draxous Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Feb 3, 2004
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    my one char runs a pretty simple parry mage template


    110hp 125mana 80dex (in human form..)

    If I were to go elf... I could run... 110hp 125mana 100dex (sick! but, I like JoaT much better than elf buffs)

    suit I run is... corpse proof, 15%SDI, 43%DCI, 100%LRC, 38%LMC, and 8MR

    I run a SCNP shield with no wep in hand... and I love how defensive this char is... dexers don't even bother me.
  11. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah
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    May 13, 2008
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    Short Sighted!

    I use a bushy/parry mage. Completely item dependant (need orny/inquis/no penalty 1 handed mage wep).

    I have a total mana pool of 106 (, so mana is limited. But I only use him for group faction pvp, so we sync a dump and it works beautifully. The template SUCKS for 1 v 1 against mages, but you can tear up any dexer that doesn't have 4/6 chiv.

    Also, having the lesser hiryu is fun too.
  12. well reason is u need dex now for parry most pvp mages use to use parry till they made u have to have 80 dex to even use parry simple fact