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poor thief-rich thief....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Der Rock, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. Der Rock

    Der Rock Guest

    some of the new stealable arties i sell(and they GET bought) between 2-8m gold,i found the same stealables on vendors for 200-500k gold.
    are those vendor owner the same who complain about the rich,and that they never had more then a couple of million gold in the bank,if at all ?

    so my question is: WHY do you steal things you dont love? why dont you do otherthings in uo?you waste your time,why?

    :wall: ;)
  2. Steelfang

    Steelfang Journeyman
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    Mar 16, 2004
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    Well I do love my bandages,reagents and the occasional powerscroll granted I dont make a lot of gold but do have fun isnt that what you play for its why I do:thumbsup:
  3. Pawain

    Pawain Stratics Legend
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    It is diffilcult to come up with a price that truly gets you the return for time.

    Look at plants, you have to tend them daily for at least 9 days. The cost of potions barely covers what you can sell them for.

    The open market is tough.
  4. Gidge

    Gidge Lore Keeper
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    Mar 18, 2004
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    i must be like the people who sell at the lower price. if i sell something, i feel bad it may be priced too high. Some people don't have it in them to sell things so high. It is in their, and in my human nature. They, i would suspect, do the same in the outer world too... sell their old car to someone for 500 bucks when it is clearly worth 3000. Heck, i have given away quite a few cars that i could have sold. Some people i suppose are not into life for the material trail. They are happy with what they have and have faith perhaps that they won't need a large retirement fund to cushion their elder years with. i know i have faltered in that area.

    Perhaps you should strike a deal with them to buy it directly from them and save them the vendor cost if their lack of making more money is of concern for you. Or just buy it from their vendor and resell to help save them said vendor cost if you can not contact them.

    Kinda like buying seashells and rocks from that little kid in thier front yard instead of going to the beach yourself to drop in your fishtank.

    They steal cause they can.
    They sell cause they can.
    They play UO cause they can.

    Maybe they DO love it like you do but they don't see the need to sell their love for a higher price.

    They want to keep love affordable.

    Rich doesn't only apply to money you know.
  5. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    But then you futz about with them when they're decorative, and they increase in value by a really large factor, as stains.
  6. popps

    popps Always Present
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    By the way, what items currently sell in Ultima Online on average ?

    I am not talking about consumables like scrolls, rune books and the such, I am talking like millions yielding items........

    That is, for which items of a higher value there is still demand in the game ?
  7. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Can't answer those questions. But some people just sell things quickly or don't know the value. If you can sell the same items for 2-8mil reliably then well you just buy them up and resell on your vender. thats a 1.8-7.5mil profit for doing very very little work. That what probably make you a rich thief and they stay a poor thief. Though they probably have already more gold than what they know to do with.
  8. Miriandel

    Miriandel Seasoned Veteran
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    Aug 3, 2009
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    It's your problem if you bring profit concerns in a video game, having a hard time breaking off from daily greed, have we?

    I sell dyes for 10k when others sell the same for 200k.
    I don't like ripping people off and I do like helping my fellow UO players.

    How much do you value a smile?

    Oh, and BTW, I've never seen a coffin with drawers ;-)
  9. Drawde2

    Drawde2 Guest

    Some people try to keep things affordable. Not everyone can make millions like it's nothing. Not to mention that doing some of the things you need to do to make that money aren't fun, which is counterproductive in something DONE for fun (a game).

    Of course the resellers usually find out about those bargains and buy them out, defeating the original purpose.
  10. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Bring me a smile and sell me all your dyes for 10k then. I play many roles in the game a merchant happens to be one of them. I bring smiles to players who pop in my home and ask for a service they won't get it cheaper elsewhere. Those who go to the venders well they either pay it or they don't. When it's so simple to make millions within a hour of playing then those who don't and complain about not having gold only want a handout. If they prefer to live in game without gold then they have no reason to complain when someone else has something they don't.
    This ain't welfare I'll be glad to teach them how to fish but just giving them a fish means nothing.
    You cannot rip a person off if they know market value. If all dyes are selling for 200k and you sell it at a discount for lets say 50k-150k making gold in the process well thats just how it is to run a vender. If on the other hand it takes you a week of your time and 20k gold in resources to make a dye then you regularly sell it for 10k the the only person you ripping of is yourself.
    80%or more of this game is vets with the average gold amount between them is at least 100mil while there property and material amount adds to there equity. The few newbies look for a giuild to join and get there own help and learn to make gold or do things themselves to aquire there items. It's just the way the market is.
    It's all well and good to help your fellow players but if they don't know how to grow a plant then there in more trouble than you can help them with.
  11. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    The only 4 reasons I can think about that they can't make millions like it's nothing is 1)They have no clue how 2)They play UO maybe 15min a week 3)They go out there way to not to make gold by enjoying just losing insurance ,pounding on mongbats or other no gold giving things.
    4) Combination of the above.
  12. ok, i'll bite, .....without being a wiseguy, explain in detail, how to make these millions.
    I play a hell of alot longer than 15 mins a week, and seriously want to know.
  13. Jhym

    Jhym Guest

    The truth is that all items in the game are worth "something" to "somebody". You can set a price and see what happens, or set a price based on your cost to get/make the item.

    Many people don't know how retail works and have never actually figured out how much their own work is really worth, and thus have no idea how to properly price items. They pick a number that seems "right" and move on.

    In some cases, that means me buying a batch of jeweled filigrees for about 500 gold. Which would have cost the person at least 1K to make, not even counting time to mine sand and make the items.

    Did I take advantage? S/he set the price, I paid it. I have no way to let them know they are underpriced (no bulletin board) and they might not even pay attention if I did.

    Running vendors and sales operations do mean a bit of time spent working on accounting if you want to actually gain gold. For skill-based services, the problem is that YOUR skill at X is no better than MY skill at X. Thus, there is no reason for me to advertise my services at 100K vs you doing it for free.

    If skill based services WERE determined by your personal ABILITY, then we feel confident in charging sums for them. Until then, most people just give repairs for free or for change.

    Um, anyway, learning how to price items is not hard -- however there are many folks who just like the joy of selling things and really aren't out for money other than to make/get more things to sell. Sort of like those people at flea markets that come to sell what they can but really just enjoy the day and the people.

    The joy of the game is that you can be any type of shopkeep you want, including one that has to go out to the dungeons every week so he can keep the shop open for his regular customers.
  14. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Ok i'll explain a couple of methods.
    The one I mentioned above. If you like to travel just runa around all the lands with homes and venders away from luna. Many of them item prices are very cheap for demand items. Buy them out rent a luna vender place a little lower than what they going for in luna but not that much lower just low enough that you can make a profit. Example finding 10 ecrus for 100k in the outside lands then bringing it to luna and selling the 10 at going price maybe
    350-450k depending on shard. Hell even if you find them at at 20k below luna price and sell it at 10k below luna thats 10k profit for nothing. You do this for any item you see that is in demand enough to sell. You have become a beggining reseller.
    The key to this method. Know what it's in demand,Know the current average market price,and 30 mins or more of running around locating shops like this marking them for easy access later. Make money while you sleep. Good return for minimun amount of time.

    Another method.Becoming a supplier. Mine your own,grow your own,,chop your own,Make your own,. These are time consuming you make the most back on these things but it does take time. You sell this at retail rate but you can sell them much faster by just supplying other resellers.

    Another one. Have a develope character head to stygian abyss collect essences and sell them really easy. Less time consuming than above but more fun and the returns are good.

    PvP- champ spawns and scrolls really the only real gold market for pvp area.
    Make large return but very time consuming and alot of luck of draw.

    Selling pets. Frustrating to get right pet then train then find buyer so it's just not enough gold for amount of time people put in.

    Filling Bod's for rewards. Time put in is beyond resonable but gold is steady and profitable. Good to fall back on.

    Above all people will need to learn your vender and be confortable of what you sell. Once you have steady customers your good to go. Keep it stock people are fickle one day they come and see a empty vender then they won't come for a week again.

    Multiple other methods like armor making,imbuiing,providing that exact product needed in the right spot, Guild merchanding,auctions,events,selling of bulk items,Home trading,cross trading,event selling,Fad selling, vender renting, rare selling etc..

    Just have to put in a little time. Hell just going to trog cave and bashing on those trogs for a hour a day can net you 50k-200k hour from gold and the items can be turned into imbuing resources and any rare drops a bonus if people really wanted to go that route but compared to the other methods above this is just too slow rather just farm essence to sell on the venders.
  15. Crysta

    Crysta Babbling Loonie
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    May 12, 2008
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    I sell them that cheap (or cheaper). Its not because i don't love them or love getting them, its because I don't like seeing people gouging the prices on new items simply because they're new and I could care less about how much gold I earn so long as I make enough to keep the vendors up. That and I like giving people who don't have tons of cash a chance at buying them. I'm sure at least half get resold, but the other half do go to people that wanted them for other reasons.

    And before you consider saying "if you don't care about the money why don't you give them away?".... I do that as well.
  16. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Do you have alot of gold for yourself?
  17. dielock

    dielock Guest

    I am a very rich thief who does not charge stupid ridiculous prices for things that will be a market saturation very soon any ways. I never understood the greed people have to charge 2-3 mil for a crappy artifact level 5 stealable or 10 mil for a 9. It is pure greed and nothing else.

    What really gets to me is the idiot that pays those prices.
  18. Crysta

    Crysta Babbling Loonie
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    May 12, 2008
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    I have about 6 mil right now. I usually have about 1. What i get generally is spent on presents or an occasional rare item.
  19. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Ah ok. It's ok to not have a never ending amount of gold as long as you know it's possible to achieve that amount of gold if you truly wanted it.

    Oh and you can never take advantage of anybody even if you price new items extremly high. Thats what I call fad pricing. When something new comes out you have a very limited of time to make gold on it before it becomes commonplace and the value of it plummets. Anybody who buys any item fad priced know that it's because they want it now and don't have the methods to get it. Those who do have the method they easily sell what they get and buy back the item later at a lower price.

    Thee are items that will stand the test of time- House teleporters,Real estate,True rares,other useful vet rewards,etc.. Reason to have so much gold buy anything you want at anytime.

    Also wanted to add I just but a redeemer for about 3mil. Will I have any use for it now or in the future nah just wanted it to have it. If the redeemer was 10 mil and there wasn't any thing cheaper I would of bought it anyway.
  20. Crysta

    Crysta Babbling Loonie
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    May 12, 2008
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    Exactly. I know I could be rich; I just choose not to be. :p
  21. Phaen Grey

    Phaen Grey Lore Master
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  22. Der Rock

    Der Rock Guest

    calling customer idiots, shows me where you come from ! :wall:

    what kind of idiot would you call yourself? as an adult who play a kiddy pixel onlinegame
    and pay real money for that.

    :lol: the first public computers sold for what" 3-4-5ooo $ ? today you can buy them for 300$, do you call this also greed?
    or a new CPU, 1 month 1000$ and 3 month later 199$, thats all greed and rip-off,right?

    sry ,but i think you dont have a clue about business
    would you tell us how you made your uo-richness?
  23. Drawde2

    Drawde2 Guest

    As I was trying to say, is it FUN to make the money? People can only grind so long before something they don't enjoy doing becomes no longer worth it. Yes, most people can put up with a little boredom to get to the fun parts, but what if you have to constantly spend half your time (or more) doing the boring stuff first?

    I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any grinding at all, but that some people don't enjoy having to grind constantly just to be able to have fun for a while. Not everyone finds farming gold for a couple weeks just to afford one 120 scroll for one character fun, or just not having any luck with the other methods (most methods, including reselling, require you getting lucky to find whatever) for long periods of time.

    That's one reason a lot of people don't have millions of gold to spend. They want to enjoy the game they're paying to play, not spend many boring months trying to get the gold/items/scrolls necessary to get gold/items/scrolls quicker. The people who can afford to spend the gold to just buy these things at will have lots of time to play, enjoy spending the time to be a successful merchant (research and resourse gathering included), know people at the top who helped them get there, or got lucky with a few drops.

    Please note that someone at the top of the game will be able to farm stuff more easily than someone lower down. Yet the prices of the items needed to get to the top are based on the buyer already being there. A sampire decked out with a full artifact suit and 120 in all skills will be able to equip a new character with those same items much faster than someone who's still trying to get those things in the first place.
  24. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
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    May 16, 2008
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    Maybe not everyone in this game is focused on trying to make tons of gold over items that we pick up.

    I always like to sell cheap. I've made tons of gold through selling items that I steal from players and from the ground. I don't care about making millions upon millions of gold. Stealing items is free.

    I don't buy rares. I don't care to buy already placed houses. My suits are fine and I have fun. So I don't see the point in trying to make top dollar for every freaken item I get for free.

    So no, I'm not going to go out there and try to get the highest possible values. I sell cheap to sell fast and get back to having fun.

    If you're mad that people are selling cheaper then you then stop whining and buy them out and make your own profit.
  25. KalVasTENKI

    KalVasTENKI Babbling Loonie
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    Jul 23, 2009
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    Seconded. Though I don't mind selling everything I don't use and making good gold. But really though , do what you love.. If you don't get gold out of it or profit.. Who cares?
  26. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Many people are different. Some people end game is to farm the highest monsters others destroy a certain/guild/enemy in a fight others to collect every rare possible for there rare museum others to own a Castle,territory, design the ultimate home. The beauty of UO people can do and be whatever they want. Merchants end game is usually to control a market or have a billion,trillion,500 million gold. n the side note getting gold from mosters is the slowest way to aquire gold. The fastest way is getting gold from other players by selling services,goods.
    Succesful merchats are known by there wares and names which is highest honor hen someone approacches you and say i shop at your venders and thanks you.
    We do not rely on luck. We rely on people who sell there goods cheap like many of the posters in this tread they are suppliers and once we know there shop we buy there goods and sell them in higher traffic area for profit.Once we know there location we mark it down and cheack periodicaly for any new products. Ofcourse that won't be the only shop we have to check, our competition will be checking those shops as well so it' about timing and first come first serve but we are very friendly to each other. With so many avenues to get our supplies it is never a grind or a luck of the draw it's a steady supply if we run out we have other goods we can sell. Lucky im my own supplier as well so this allows me to make up for any dry market.

    Many people who need many millions to deck out there characters well it's understandable. No newbie should come out right from the start with a full maxed out sampire,tamer,mage or any other buildt up character. They will need to get the gold or help to get there. Which then higher end players buy or craft for them and they can gradualy build up there gold and experience to afford these products themselves.

    Your right that some players don't find it fun to make gold but they never need to if they want a 120 scroll of something they will need to pvp if they don't like top pvp and have no gold then they can't get one same thing with everything else they either have to do the work or get gold to afford the items. If players give them everything they need then what else is there to do in UO? They don't pvp,pvm,They can't afford to do anything else. So do they just hang around the bank and chat all day long? Could do that with icq.
    Maybe they are just roleplayers who knows.But to each there own. I belive that people should earn and like to learn type of help and not play a begger all the time might cut down on the scammers. Though those RP I guess are fine if there in character and nt fake RP's.
  27. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Grand Inquisitor
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    You charge too much Der, get over it. There was a time when items cost the equivalent of the time it took to acquire them x the amount of gold you could farm during that time. Not anymore...some people think that even though they got it very easily, it should sell for multi-millions...but it's the UO Greed factor. Any time something new comes out, or someone finds something they've never seen before, they come here and say "Hey, I found "insert item here", uhh, what's it worth"?
  28. dielock

    dielock Guest

    First of all you are the one that is clueless. I owned my own business for many years and retired at the ripe old age of 45. So find out who you are talking to first before you open your clueless mouth.

    I sell my stuff very cheap and have many happy customers for it. Instead of making 30 million in one shot I make it in 30 shots. But I still make it. And my customers do not feel like they were raked over the coals.

    And yes most anything new including computers were a rip off because the large corporations could make huge profits from them. Eventually more and more manufacturers sprung up and guess what clueless? You have to lower your prices to meet the competition.

    The reason they are so cheap now is two fold. One there is more competition and two the manufacturing industry has found more efficient ways to make products thus cutting the cost and prices.

    Simple but I guess since you don't really know anything, this is maybe a bit complicated for you.
  29. DarkVoid

    DarkVoid Guest

    It's the perogative of the seller to price his/her goods at whatever price they feel is right. It's the perogative of buyers and resellers wanting a quick profit to buy the items and resell them or not.

    Nobody is forcing anyone else to go out and train characters to put items on vendors for resale, they're doing this because it's what they want to do.

    The same goes for pricing, nobody is forcing the price up artificially, it's just not possible to force someone to buy the most expensive items.

    It's all a matter of who does what calculations and what return on their investment they expect to get for it.

  30. Taylor

    Taylor Former Stratics CEO (2011-2014)
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    I'm in agreement with DarkVoid. Although you may feel that items are overpriced, the person buying those items obviously does not. No one is forcing them to purchase the items - they purchase the items because they feel that the cost is worth the benefit.

    You are welcome to price your items low. You are welcome to shop around for better deals. However, if others are willing to pay higher prices, you really have no grounds to ask sellers to lower their prices. The sellers do not work for you, they work for their paying customers.
  31. Why do you sell things that you seem to love so much? If you're that much in love with them, you should be keeping them.

    Seems to me that you're just pancakes about someone else that got to an item before you did and undercutting your prices.

    Get over it.
  32. Mitzlplik_SP

    Mitzlplik_SP Guest

    In general this thread seems to be about overcharging on Luna vendors and making millions based on the laziness of the consumer.

    The End.

    Ahhh I`m too tired......... don`t like hi prices?..... stay outa Luna,take a walkabout and find those sellers the resellers use to sell you your stuff!

    I personally have turned down offers for a Luna vendor because I hate that place. A RL friend is always chirping in my ear "its like free money dood!" Because he rakes in some phat cash right outside the east gate in Luna LS. I could care less.

    My lil shop off the beaten path makes enough for me and I don`t feel dirty after stocking my vendors. If I keep resellers happy,fine... I`m still makin money. I would rather not help keep Luna stocked but thats up to the peaple. If Joe Customer can`t take 20 minutes and ride around....or keep a rune book named Vendors , he`s welcome to pay 2-3 times the amount on whatever in Luna for zero effort.

    I don`t blame the Luna sellers at all for the inflated BS there. It all boils down to lots of things being in one place,lazy customers and a few programs that keep whats in Luna on the front page of a couple websites.:thumbdown: