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Powerscrolls,,let the masses speak

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Paps, Jan 19, 2010.

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Should Powerscrolls drop in Trm ruleset champspawns?

  1. No,,,they should all be Fel only drops.

    145 vote(s)
    48.7%
  2. Yes,,,but only the 105 scrolls

    16 vote(s)
    5.4%
  3. Yes,,,but only the 105-110 scrolls

    30 vote(s)
    10.1%
  4. Yes,,,but only the 105-115 scrolls

    13 vote(s)
    4.4%
  5. yes,,,but only the 105-120 scrolls

    8 vote(s)
    2.7%
  6. yes,,,all 105-120 should drop in Tram AND all stat boost scrolls as well

    86 vote(s)
    28.9%
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  1. BartofCats

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    keep it in Fel only. You want a scroll go get it or buy it.

    Scroll binders were a bad idea too, but hey, on the flipside I have cleared up some storage space in my homes.
     
  2. Coragin

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    Hey, I think 105 and 110 in tram is best.

    Also a shameless bump to get people to see this and vote more. Gotta have it on the front page.
     
  3. hen

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    Your idea sucks because of scroll binders.
     
  4. Maximus Neximus

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    Agreed. If there were no scroll binders I'd consider it. Even then you'd have to change the drops in Fel, which would make the market even worse.
     
  5. Ezekiel Zane

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    That's why I voted for only the 105s. It'll take a damn long time to bind 105s into anything higher than a 110.

    I'd even reduce the number of scrolls dropped compared to Felucca spawns to make it take even longer.
     
  6. red sky

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    So I'm assuming you believe that PvPers also fight over faction sigils just to get the sigils then correct? The difference between your argument and what actually happens in fell is that these rewards you speak of are actually most sought after by the profiteers, who more often than not must venture to fell and acquire them. This results in new players to fight for those who show up to PvP as their main play style. If this were not true then this thread would not exist because obviously the whole reason for this thread is because some players do not appreciate fighting for their reward and would rather fight boring AI all day. But again, I totally understand the issue although I know there are many ways to do spawns and acquire power scrolls or replicas without the mob of PKs showing up to gank. I feel this is one of the few aspects of the game that never gets boring and incites an adrenaline rush at times.

    P.S. If you are having such a bad time on Atl or whatever, try a different shard that may not have such anal spawn watchers.
     
  7. the 4th man

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    Well, movings out of the question, too much invested. I see your post as an opinion and just that.

    You say AI is boring, for you maybe, don't speak for me. I'd much rather fight artificial intelligence, than no intelligence whatsoever. Which is what a vast sum of the pvp's display.

    Yes, been there, done that, I seriously don't need the headaches of cheaters either. Not by all, but there's enough of it. If the only reason the pvp's go to fellyland, for power scrolls, then fellyland was a doomed concept from the get go.

    They introduced trammel from the console games to please a majority.


    later
     
  8. Ezekiel Zane

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    Faction fighting is supposed to be all about PvP. Fighting over Sigils is about controlling towns and all the benefits therein. Non PvPrs have absolutely no interest in factions. The difference being that non PvPs most definitely want and need power scrolls.

    My post simply points out the PvPrs always talk about the rush, the adrenaline of fighting a human opponent, just as you did. The conversation never turns to "oh I only PvP for powerscrolls" does it? Of course again, the difference there is, as you put it, the profiteers. The guilds who dominate and control champion spawns solely to limit, control and profit from the sale of powerscrolls. IMO probably the loudest voices when it comes to any talk of allowing powerscrolls of any kind in Trammel.

    There are many many, much more than PvPrs IMO, players that do not want to be involved in non-consenctual combat at anytime. PvM is more than adequate enjoyment for them.
     
  9. Nyses

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    It seems the original poster wants an easier way to get power scrolls. This comes up over and over and over again. There is NO NEED to put power scrolls in tram.

    With Imbuing, there is NO EXCUSE, (except lack of knowlage) as to why someone cannot go do spawns in Fel, even SOLO. I currently play Pac, and can solo every champ spawn but Oaks (still takes at least 2 people - so far). Do I get caught doing them solo and killed and raided, sometimes, but many times, I do not get caught, and get out with 12 power scrolls and the pinkies and occasionally a replica.

    To anyone who thinks the current champs are too hard, find a mentor in the game to show you more about doing the fel spawns. Sampires make the spawns pretty easy, but Necros, mages and Tamers can all solo at least some of the spawns. Two of any of the afore mentioned templates, working together, and it should be relativly easy. Remember you have a full 10 minutes to get the next red candle up. But, if it is taking you that long, you are doing something wrong.
     
  10. Coragin

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    Please come solo a Fel champ on Origin. Please? Pretty please? And then come back here and post how easy it was ;)

    Oh and make sure to spawn during normal, human being hours. We will look for you. Better yet, name you toon Nyses, so we know.
     
  11. Nyses

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    Are you looking to raid me, or learn? If it is a raid, I might as will set set up and appt with you, to make it much easier to find me, lol

    Timing and spawn selection are important as well. Anyone who thinks they will solo a Barracoon on Despise at peak hours, needs to share what they are smoking, lol.
     
  12. kaio

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    Release it all to trammel, and give us another reason than greed to fight for in feluca.
     
  13. Paps

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    You could not be more wrong.I am the OP.The guild i am in on a regular basis goes to Fel,does spawns & gets scrolls.If by spawning it does not produce the scroll i desire AND am too impatient to wait any further to aquire it,,i pony up the UO gold and buy it.As i had stated i did NOT vote in this poll.If i were to have voted it would have been for 105`s only.Now i.m.o. its a hell of alot easier to do a fel spawn once for scroll x [assuming it drops the one you want and you win it in your guilds roll system] than to do Lord knows how many tram ruleset champs and scrollbind them to get that same scroll. Normally i personally throw the 105`s away.Furthermore for everyones information i do play on the ATL shard.

    I didn't post this poll at all for reasons of wanting anything easier for myself at all and tbh am insulted you accuse me of that.Maybe i am not the most well known player ingame/in shard/or even in the guild i am in but i beleive my reputation speaks for itself.

    I made this poll because there are people ingame [who help keep the game alive with thier monthly $] that i knew were interested in this [the results of the poll alone prove this,,,but also the 2 heated/locked threads on a similar subject] that by use of flaming to get those threads locked,,,their voices were being silenced.Which i.m.o. is pure BS. There were arguments both for and against this but board bickering is a fruitless action.I personaly wanted to know how many here on these forums [some which never post but only read because they feel not the need to enlighten the masses] actually like or dislike the idea. I don't want to know `why` you think its a good or bad idea,,,just `if` you think its a good or bad idea.

    With the poll options i tried to be just and fair including different levels of scrolls in the options and am sorry i hadn't the foresight to include an option to say "remove all powerscrolls competely"
    But basically it came down to a `yes or no` poll which atm roughly 55% say `yes we want PS drops in Tram`
    regardless if you agree with those 55% or disagree isn't up for debate.Debate is Not at all what i was seeking here,,just votes.
    Givin yes,,stratics readers are but a small populace of the game as a whole however any poll taken anywhere by anyone also is a small percentage. I do know in fact that the largest guild on not only Atl shard but the entire game is a PVM only guild. That in itself speaks volumes.
    Some of these people are completely incapable of doing any PVP.Some are unwilling to go to PVP areas alltogether.There can be different reasons for this which i will not go into here.However it does seem that the PVP crowd indeed is trying to force non consensual PVP onto these players to obtain the scrolls needed to advance their characters.To say the opposite i call BS.
    I`ll bet 1-mill gold on Atl shard that `none of you have olny red toons & have never participated in PVM`
    Now to those that say PVP is the only thing you seek ingame but yet are bored with Yew gate fighting then tell me why faction fighting for sigils is not more active than what it is. [ok,,other shards may be active factionwise but i`ll have to take your word on that]
    ANYWHO,,,,sorry about the novel.I have a game to go play now instead of posting about it.

    Paps.
     
  14. Nyses

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    OK, my bad. That is why I only said "seems". Back to your point, about Powerscrolls in Tram, I voted, and I voted No.

    Overall, you are taking away even more of UO's "difficulty" by doing this. While that would make some players happy, I believe it would leave many more bored, rather quickly.

    When you have beaten all the Monsters in the game and have all the items and scrolls you want what is left to do? I know the answer is different for each of us, but we will all have to ask ourselves that question, sooner or later.
     
  15. jtw1984

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    I voted "I'm afraid to die in a video game."

    LOL
     
  16. Suzzy

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    There are power scrolls in Tram, it's called crafting power scrolls. Let it stay that way.

    Hell, if you want more power scrolls in Tram, lets give you some 120 cooking, or maybe 120 camping?
     
  17. Coragin

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    Well, I love how people say "I would consider it" as if its up to them. I know I know everyone or atleast some teabagger will say its not up to me, so save it.

    Also, as I stated in another thread, the ones that whine or cry about something the most will eventually get it. It is all about who can make the most noise for the longest time. Although no one I think ever did a poll on this and from what it is showing here is that over 50% want scrolls of some kind to drop in tram, which I dont see as unreasonable. Remember it took a long time of crying before they nerfed greater dragons, but in the end, the people complaining got their way. As I said, mark my words, it might not be today or next week but some day, ps will drop in tram. That is fact.

    And before another teabagger pipes up with his head up his rear and no brain cells, its been stated a kajillion times, Im in a fel guild, we do champs, my char are all scrolled out. And I still dont see 105 and 110 in tram a bad thing. Need to have some incentive to do champs there. And no the .05 percent chance to get a replica is not incentive. And yes I do ish champs when my guild is not on for gold. And yes solo. Would be nice to gather a few 105 or 110 to sell or bind. Pinks and the rare chance at a replica sucks imo, but since I can solo them all save for the necro ho, 300k per champ and some marties makes it better than sitting there at the same monster over and over and over to farm gold. And solo is not a way to go about a fel champ, thats just asking to get raided.

    So yea, 105 and 110 in tram isint a bad thing, if you look at it like this.

    1. The majority of people doing them would not be going to Fel anyways.
    2. They can sell what they get to buy a 120 from a Fel champ.
    3. They can use the 110 and will at very least have a bit more power than before and earn it on their own.
    4. People still throw away 105's at least my guild does.
    5. It is not taking that much away from anything really, would take a ton of 110's to make a 120 at only 6 per spawn and needing to have a ton of the same ones, it would take a long time. I dont know how many exactly, but still it would take a long time.
    6. There are people who wont goto fel for any reason, these are the people that it would be helping.
    7. The only people who would be hurt by this is the people who do champs just to farm gold and keep a corner on the ps market.

    It dont seem that bad to me, at least 105 and 110. Beyond that, then we are pushing it, but thats the last thread I started was just about 105 and 110.
     
  18. wrekognize

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    if they were put in tram, they would be valueless in 2 months.
     
  19. A Rev

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    I voted no just because the option i wanted isnt there...

    Lets put doom in Fel

    Lets put EVERY peerless in Fel

    Lets put ALL of SA in fel

    In fact, lets just close Trammel once and for all!!!

    Trammel has lots of stuff fel players cant get before you say, make a blue i already have 7 slots and all of them red, i have to have trammel players get my gear for me and i pay outta the ass for it...its about time trammel woke up and realised they have a larger strangle hold on more valuable items than damn powerscrolls!
     
  20. Yen Sid

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    What "valuable" items and gear does Tram have that can't be gained in Fel?
     
  21. A Rev

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    Ok...was this a serious question??

    How about;

    Orny
    inquis
    aof
    EVERY imbuing ingredient
    Fey leggings
    Heart of the lion
    RBC
    Stormgrips
    Hunters headress
    spirit of the totem
    totem of the void.

    do i really need to go on?
     
  22. Der Rock

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    i die more often in pvm then in pvp,to die is NOT the problem.
    death never was the problem why people dont pvp
    the real and only problem in uo non existent pvp is:

    the antisocial,dumb,idiotic,lame,cheat,exploit,behavior of the so called "pvp or nothing" crowd

    it is more like: " you want to show me how an antisocial,dumb,idiotic,lame,cheater,exploiter you are(NOT you personal ;) ),then sorry play alone ,keep all these landmasses for your own,be happy in the "sahara" of uo.


    what most(99%) of the pvp/pk poster here on stratics totaly forget is:
    felluca is not abandoned of red players,the blue players is what they beg for.
    therefore they should seek out the failing on theirs side and NOT the other way ;)
     
  23. A Rev

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    You seem to label people with the same brush awfully easily...there is a reason most PvPeres are red...they dont care who they attack.

    Red/blue/orange, makes no difference.
     
  24. I just want to make 2 points perfectly clear-

    1. Stratics is in no way indicative of the population of UO players so any poll made here is worth nothing outside of entertainment value.

    2. What people say they "want" is not necessarily what's good for the game overall, and I'm sorry, but no one person is so blessed with an ability to see what's best for the game that his or her opinion is better than anyone else's.

    Therefore, have fun voting, but when it's all said and done, this poll is worth bupkis mit kuduchas.
     
  25. Der Rock

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    not at all,
    the evident analyse of this poll,where over 50% are vote against scrolls in fel,and this on stratics,means assigned to the whole playerbase,that over 90% of all players are against scolls in fel ;)
     
  26. Aristillus

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    According to the way I read the poll, 97 % of the UO player base PvPs while eating a bucket of KfC........Making up numbers is fun :thumbsup:
     
  27. Der Rock

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    Yes it is, but yours are wrong and mine are right ;)
     
  28. A Rev

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    Actually, READ the results... only 35% ish are against Ps's in fel.

    the other 65% say that the best of them should drop in fel only and the scraps you guys can have.

    And...further to that 50% say that trammel if any should get 105's only!
     
  29. Reximus

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    Because what players want and what is good for the game is two different things.

    If it was up to players they would rain down from the sky at luna.

    When there is nothing to work for, you don't play, so people would be happy for the first month and then they'd start closing their accounts.
     
  30. Smokin

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    LOL and no ones ever closed their accounts because they could not get things because of PVP. I am sorry tons and tons have.
     
  31. Miriandel

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    You have a point there, but don't forget nobody wants those for free.
    Working hard to get them is one thing, having to put up with jerks is another thing.

    I left UO when Trammel opened up. In fact, I placed a tower in Trammel and never went back :(
    Back then, we blamed Trammel for the decline of the game.
    But now, I realize the game would have died without Trammel.
    Most UO players love PvP, or at least many, but not so many like ganking, being raided, or generaly having to deal with behaviors they avoid IRL.
     
  32. A Rev

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    What he meant is a general thing...there is always a poll every other week asking for something to be easier to get.

    What happens if the devs say...OK

    And you log on and its like test centre...how long until you get bored?
     
  33. Smokin

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    Do hunt for power scrolls, if so are you bored with it yet.
     
  34. Der Rock

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    :wall:

    the results of this poll is like it is BECAUSE we have scroll-binders NOW.
    the voters for scrolls only in fell are at the same lvl bevore scroll binder.
    the votes of the other 53% are more seperated.
    imagine if scroll binders wouldnt exist ,and

    assigned this to reality and facts:), the result show that the majority (90+% is the majority i think :) ) dont like scrolls in fel.

    why?
    short example : people like you who post thinks like"...scrap you guys can have..."
    are THE reason why 90% dont like to play with player of your kind ;)
     
  35. Reximus

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    'You don't value what you don't work for'
     
  36. Smokin

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    LOL I hope your not a raider(PVPer) then cause since when did raiders work for the scrolls.
     
  37. Ezekiel Zane

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    He does have a point Rex. Raiders come in and kill all the blues, kill the champ, get all the scrolls and don't work up the spawns at all. What work did they do? Killing the blues wasn't hard. The Champion bosses? Everyone's got those down to a science. Again, not exactly an example of hard work.
     
  38. Salya Sin

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    Thank you! I couldn't agree more... and with the scroll binders.. it will be harder... and LONGER.. to get a 120... but it means the ones that don't want to PvP... don't have to. And anyone who PvP's is always saying... "If you don't want to get attacked... stay out of Fel!" So I don't see the problem... everyone who doesn't want to get attacked... can now stay out of Fel? Unless, what you really meant... was "I just like to attack people because I can... go ahead and whine... I'm just going to rez/kill you!"
    :thumbup:
     
  39. Paps

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    actually most of these are easily available in fel in better versions call faction artys.Lets go over your list of things you claim nobody can get in Fel.

    1-Orny =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    2-inquis =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    3-aof =correct =
    4-EVERY imbuing ingredient =correct = this is a crafter ingredient so youre saying your crafters a red?
    5-Fey leggings =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    6-Heart of the lion =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    7-RBC =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    8-Stormgrips =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    9-Hunters headress =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    10-spirit of the totem =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
    11-totem of the void. =wrong = there are peerless Felside as well

    theres also a faction C.C.,ring of the vile,some of the reading glasses,primer on arms,,,,all the faction gear is superior to the tram versions of the same things.So i call the huge BSto that if you claim PS are the `only` thing fel players have.
    I hope this post enlightned you on the subject.Now let me get back to my bucket of KFC
     
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    I don't know.
    It seems to me that those maintaining tight control and monopoly of the Champion Spawns thanking to their superior gear, weaponry and wealth most often seem to have it pretty easy to dispatch any outsiders trying to get a scroll or two......

    So, I am not sure what is this difficulty I hear about for "some" players in Felucca...

    I even heard a Champion Spawn hunter at Brit Bank, Felucca, one of those who raids and all that, who said that when he wants a challenge he does Peerless solo because Champion Spawns are so easy for him and his buddies that they gets bored doing them.........

    Speaks wonders to me about what real challenge may Felucca and Champion Spawns be to some players....

    Risk vs. Reward is a joke.

    Why ?

    Because the risk ain't the same for all players. Some players have hardly any risks involved thanking to their superior modifiers and wealth.
     
  41. Paps

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    Are you familliar with seige.
    If you are,,,why aren't you there?
    I never understood why people that cry "get rid of tram"
    dont play that shard.
     
  42. Gowron

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    OK, I was going to sit quietly and just see how the results turn out, but I have seen too many generalizations and viewpoints mocked or not fully understood.

    Thus, I shall kick in my inputs.

    I find that declaring the vast majority of the PvP community as hackers, cheaters, and anti-social types as just wrong and ignorant. Yes, those folks are there, but I doubt to the degree that is claimed to be over 90%. I've had several avid PvP'rs give me sound advice on tactics, templates, and suit building. Why? It improves the quality of game play for all.

    For those who like to claim Fel side folks of being anti-social, I've seen worse in Tram.

    For those who claim there are no rewards in Fel PvP, well, there are two: Faction Arties and the Victory.

    I don't view Power Scrolls as the "reward" for PvP, but I do view it as one of three catalysts that exist in the game for spontaneous, goal oriented PvP with the others being Factions and IDOCs.

    Thus, when folks complain that Power Scrolls leaving Fel, there needs to be due consideration given to that. IDOCs are not that frequent, and Factions only have 4 focused points for the bulk of combat. Champ Spawns are more numerous and varying in providing battlefield environments. If the catalysts (power scrolls) are removed, well, the best part of PvP is seriously degraded, and I can imagine that Fel Gate fighting is, to put it mildly, quite boring and repititious.

    The part that irks me the most, is while UO is arguably the most flexible environment for which playstyles people prefer and choose, that the choice of one playstyle over another often bears opportunity costs (you do some things well, while others are denied/difficult).
    It is just sad that people make a choice of one playstyle over another and then have the audacity to complain that they can't do or have everything.

    These complaints, to me, amount to something as cheesey as walking up to two vending machines with a dollar and wanting a soda and a candy bar, knowing that each costs 60-75 cents, and then complaining that you can't have both.
     
  43. Gowron

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    Here are my reasons for those behaviors.

    1. They're scared about not being able to insure their "uber" equipment, which they "can't" fight without.
    2. Only one character means that they HAVE to rely on other people and cooperation to be fitted out.

    I'm mainly in the number 2 category...
     
  44. Yen Sid

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    Yes you do need to go on. I have yet to see something you can't get just by joining factions.

    Well seeming you can sell a 120 Magery PS and buy any of those i see no problem. And if your red you might as well be in factions and get the faction gear which is way better anyway. You can craft most of the imbuing mats now as well besides Essences. Totem of the Void comes from named monsters, they have those in Fel, no? Mel is a good choice. And if you really want to get all of these things and be red, play Siege.
     
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    It is always cracks me up everytime someone who plays a production shard says "risk vs reward". If you want real pvp where there is real risk and which is more skill based, there is only Seige.
     
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    Interesting poll IF you are to take it seriously ATM then you have 47% that say no way nothing for tram you have 37% that say yes all should be in tram but the interesting to me part is 52% think that there should be at least some drops in tram!
    If i where a DEV and trying to make the most people happy I would probably make 105's and 110's available in tram!
    I am just looking at the numbers not trying to take sides its all about the haves and the have nots the ones who have them want them all to themselves and the have nots want what they don't have!
     
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    So sick of hearing people run their mouths about seige, there is a reason no one plays there.
     
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    x2, although there's more than one reason.
     
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    They also stated that you would NEVER need to use a powerscroll to achieve something in-game. You would be able to do all things without the need for scrolling.

    They changed their mind about that ... whats to say they wont again?
     
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