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Tanking Cu

Discussion in 'UO Tamer' started by Mahler, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. Pawain

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    We have those on LS. They get keys for us, we keep their pets alive if needed.
     
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    I think that is a key piece of information many keep out when they reply in general in this forum. How do they play? Who do they group with? What is their template. That can play a key role into what pets you want to have.

    I know @Pawain groups with like 30 tamers all with cu sidhe and sometimes Don with his bane according to the screenshots he posts~ (semi kidding, might be more like 15 cu)

    @Khyro and myself duo or solo everything, occasionally we will do things with small alliance groups. We like speed and control.



    Notice how he says can and not does, because he's too busy AFKing~ Why do you think he likes CU so much :p

    Btw, that seemed more like a bragfest of how awesome @Khyro is. :)
     
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  3. ultima2005

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    Following up on the DCI discussion, my character runs with a spellbook, but has 45 DCI and 120 eval, plus 20 anatomy and tactics from JOAT. Anyone have an idea of approximate defense? The calculation confuses me somewhat.

    My calculation is as follows: 120 Eval + 20 anatomy from JOAT = 80 equivalent melee skill.

    Chance to defend: (120 Melee + 20) divided by (((80 +20) (1.45)) *2) = 48% chance of monster hitting.

    Is the above correct? Thanks!
     
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  4. celticus

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    Sounds correct. Plus this way, you will be able to use a slayer spell book so you can deal double damage to spawns. My way, since I don't have Eval on tamer toon, is mage-0 SC weapon, magery 110 on toon, and it calculates out to 30% or so chance of monster hitting melee. But sadly, I get my gear dur. dropping from the attacks, I get bled by dragons, and the DCI/Mage weapon does not protect me from mobs spells, just the melee attacks. Interestingly also, I get hit with smaller hits, not sure if this is gimped, since I thought that when a hit is not defended you get the full melee blast..
     
  5. Tabby Kapak

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    Maybe we are completely wrong, as we always snubbed DCI completely, so are not quite in the know. But logical thinking makes us wonder, does EI even qualify as Melee skill? If that were the case Mages would not need -Magery weapons or Wrestling for defense? :confused2:

    Woops, this was the same thread, so edit:
    Haha! The prices those likely go for we only want to pay for Castles, not a piece of paper (even though in a way it gives as much fun hehe). So we will patiently keep trying to score something else then Mysticism III ourselves hah! But to answer your question, we play on Europa. :) And we do keep items for new tamers, actually just dressed up one last night! Sometimes there are antique pieces among the items we give them, but we feel it is only a good thing if they learn about wear and tear of armor early on.
     
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    Our tamer with 120 Meditation did a test last night on TC, in a full MR4 suit with 40LMC she could cast 11 (almost 12) Flamestrikes in a row before she ran out of mana without Consume. With Consume, that was reduced to 8 (almost 9), but the crux being the recovery of her mana. It hardly comes back up while Consume Damage is running?! Also not possible to med then, that stops rightaway due to the spell. So no, we were not impressed, we don't think consume is a spell that fits well with our damage dealing tamer. Rather have a tanky Feint pet that needs a couple of heals every now and then (and gift of renewal), allowing us to focus our mana on offensive spells with slayer books. And wear a luck suit instead of all MR4 pieces. But that is just our opinion.

    Edit: Btw, YES! We got a Taming III primer shortly after complaining, it worked! Only used it on TC though, how to choose between 7 main tamers?? Well, one less, heh. Do people see a lot of improvement in their Whispers with a Taming III primer?
     
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  7. Pawain

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    YAY Congrats!

    Need more regen. Mine with better regens can cast heals or E bolts over and over and mana goes up in between. It has a learning curve to get used to it after you don't use it for so long. There's a post somewhere where I said the same thing about consume when I first got it.

    Also if not already part of your build. Your Taming and Lore must be 120 real skill to use consume at a smaller mana cost.
     
  8. Tabby Kapak

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    The char has Lore, Tame, EI, Medi, Magery and SW at 120 (Magery working towards, now at 117's). And MR was near the max possible, 8x4MR + 3 on book, 2 on sash, epaulette and tangle, and 1 more on the cloak. 42 total if we don't mess up the counting, and we even seem to remember we read above 30 hardly helps due to diminishing returns on MR? Admitted, we had no Bard with Regens song playing, but other than this we don't see how to improve that. Can't fit in Focus for sure. You probably have a point with us needing to get used to it, but as it is we feel it will be more useful on one of our tanky tamers. Even if that messes up their stealthing, in some situations it will surely come in handy!
     
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    I'm curious about your setup, watching it would be interesting.
     
  10. Pawain

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    @Tabby Kapak

    If I could use both my toons at the same time I would do this. One gets the aggro and runs consume and Gheals as needed. The other watches pet and G Heals as needed. But they are free to cast spells, fields or whatever.

    When the victim gets between 75 to 50% Life they start to hit less often and do less melee damage over time and they are out of Mana for spells. You can stop running consume and blast away. That is why we like the AI/Chiv pets, they have their full mana and hit the target hard and with two of them doing 250 damage every so often the victim loses stamina and the pets smell blood. At this point the pet mana is low. You hope that the pet will have cast EoO and Consecrate and will stay that way for a while.

    So pretend the pet that is getting damaged is a Dexxer. Keep him alive. Gift of Renewal is awesome. Use those Spirituality points. Then when the damage slows you can both blast away. Soon you will be using WoD and end it.

    @Gidge and I did Travesty the other day I think she is the toughest Peerless. We used two Cus. You have to be interactive but we did just fine. I keep her in a poison field. When a group does Dreadhorn we use a special entry method. Gidge runs consume so there is a 99% chance that she will get attacked first. She does. She runs as fast as she can to the other side and sometimes doesn't die. At this point all the pets are on the Evil Unicorn so no more deaths. Maybe call it the Sacrificial Gidge Method.
     
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  11. celticus

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    Nice! By the way what are the stats/skills for your archer-tamer? Do you use mage-xx weapons off the magery or using Archery skill and Chiv? I might make my "bum" tamer into that if that works well. Thanks in advance. Also not too much funds there for gear or crafter there. But there are decent stuff in VS if you are careful, in ATL.
     
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    I use prismatic Lenses Britches of warding and Gloves of Feudal Grip. The rest is Reforged Studded pieces except the gorget which is leather but has high resists to make up for rest.

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    Can run consume for 2 mins with no shooting. Longer if shooting. Forever if hitting with a slayer bow.
    Archer does a lot more damage than pet.

    Have to stay out of aggro. I am real slow with invis potions.

    Will not go into how fast he and his Cu can kill a Para Balron. He can kill the mage faster than pet can gain 25% so I have to not always do damage.
     
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    Very nice! Ty for post.
     
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    I have a "tank" CU, that i mostly use for Rikkitor, he has however eaten all the others fel champs as well with ease.
    120 in all skills, except medi,focus.
    Enhancements AI.
    1k HP.
    Pet has 85 cold resist.
    I never heal the pet, and he does fine, my tamer is archer-tamer. (i don't run consume)
     
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    Just AI, no other enhancements and no magic?(Chiv?)?
     
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    No magic, just AI. Pets purpose is mainly to tank, while i pew pew
     
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    Can he tank Rikktor ALONE, without you healing/vetting?
     
  18. Gb8719

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    Could you please share your template and play style? I’ve been wanting to make an archer tamer but not sure where to start.

    My thought was to use a Cu with Disco/AI or a rune beetle.
     
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    That build would also work for Death Ray. Get a Discord+Conductive Blast Cu or Unicorn, then run Death Ray on the mob while the pet tanks. If someone else in your group has Discord, then you can go with Chiv on the pet. Between Disco+Conductive Blast, i've seen Death Ray tick for 430+ damage every 3 secs before with 120 Magery/120 Eval/Lvl 3 Primer and a Lesser Slayer Spellbook. It's like half a WoD every 3 secs at any health level.
     
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    More or less he can, Pet has 85 cold resist, so he barely takes any damage from rikkitors AOE. If pet goes low in hp, witch he rarely does i just mount him, and finish rikkitor with AI mounted.
     
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    Template is straight forward.
    120 archery
    120 tame, 120 lore
    100 ana, 90 heal, 110 tact
    080 chiv / Bushido
    Pet all guard me, magical short bow (100% cold damage) , hit area special...and pet runs around killing stuff till champ is up.
    champ up, all kill champ, AI AI AI..
     
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    I thought you couldn't add Bushido to non-Tokuno pets, does Feint add the Bushido? And then you can scroll it?
     
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    You can add bush or ninja, but they don't use any of the forms/abilities unless they're Tokuno pets.
     
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    Feint adds fake Bushido, like frenzied whirlwind adds fake Ninjitsu.

    It can be scrolled to 120, but the bushido and ninjitsu act as an ability modifier, you don't get the added bonuses that you would if you added the real "magic ability" Bushido or Ninjitsu, which needs to be added to a pet from Tokuno.

    You wouldn't get the full benefits of Feint or FWW without having ninjtsu or bushido added.
     
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    All this talk about Bushido,make's me wonder if the mana reduction from skill's apply to pet as they would to a player?
     
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    I'm about to start training my "tanking" cu and thought I'd see if there were any thoughts on this build I worked up. I think I did this late one night, so it's totally possible I missed or messed something up.
    tank cu.PNG

    I was thinking about going with 5 SR and put the 60 points into more mana, but I'm also thinking the 10 SR could be more useful given I'm building this one for the Exodus peerless
     
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    i have a pet with 120 bushido and 120 parry but somehow 120 mystic and 120 healing feels more reliable, somhow...
     
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    Bring Tactics down to GM, Resist and Healing up to 120.
     
  29. Mordha

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    Like this?
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    Is tactics that underwhelming that 100 is good enough in this case?
     
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    Yes. Tactics adds barely any damage for a pet, and it's expensive. For a tank pet, the 120 Resist and 120 Healing would be much more useful.
     
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    Thank you for the quick reply, I'll go with the updated plan. Time to go shopping for resist and healing scrolls, lol
     
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    Eh? Also Semidar? We really find AI on our pets to be troublesome against her, with that triple reflect effect.

    Is his Earthquake cold based damage? We assumed it would be physical since the Earthquake Spell is as well?