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NEWS The original inspiration for Davies Locker! How many Treasure Maps will you dig up in...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by UO News, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. UO News

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    The original inspiration for Davies Locker! How many Treasure Maps will you dig up in #ForgottenTreasures ?
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    Continue reading...
     
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    I don't use Instagram. Big dislike of nonsense information.
     
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    Well, it is already a hashtag #forgottentreasures that people already use with over 3k pictures in it... will be hard to follow - and totally irrelevant hashtag for this game.
     
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    I've never done treasure hunting before. What skills will I need?

    Are plunderbeacons and mythic cargo sticking around or going away?
     
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    Once the system is updated, you will need cartography, lock picking and remove trap for the basic T-hunter template + which ever skill you want to fight.

    Plunderbeacons are probably going away after the next publish, though I think they should stay around in smaller numbers to spice things up.
     
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    Is it a definite that remove trap is going to be required for opening treasure chests?
     
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    For higher level ones, telekinesis won't work. RT would also allow access to special loot, though Kyronix has yet to reveal how that will work.

    RT is also being reworked to be less of a PITA to train. You also won't need to have detect hidden for it to function.
     
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    To be honest, I stopped using telekinesis decades ago, I've always just popped the chest and healed up, never ever died from the splosion. Be interesting to see how they get around that other than making the chest outright kill you every time.
     
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    OTOH it's rocket science to post the schedule for M&Gs or a link to the newsletter.. :bdh:
     
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    Why not use another useless skill to open the chest. Like mmnh begging.
    'Please open a Bit' or 'please disarm ur trap little chest '. What a mess to skill up the TH.
     
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    haha!

    for years i have been rattling my cup against the bar's saying they need to do exactly this to T-Hunting!

    im sooooooooo happy!
     
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    Sounds to me like they are gonna bork thunting , it was enjoyable now they are gonna make it that much more of a drag if you need ANOTHER skill to open a chest. No idea why they continually have to make stuff more of a grind. I guess it is the way this team thinks we all wanna play............. grind r us.
     
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    Dope. LONG overdue.
     
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    Another case of something that should have been fixed literally over a decade ago. Remove trap has always been the worst skill in the game, I'm just glad to see it get some love.
     
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    So be glad it's content is being posted here?
     
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    Well, I had hoped they would let Cartography take over for mining (which can then be put back on the tinker/smith where it makes more sense) and leave that slot open for more skills related to offense/defense.

    But no...as usual. Well I'll shut up.
    One of these days I will learn not to get my hopes up with this team. It was my fault for even thinking we might get a decent upgrade without more hoops to jump thru.
     
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    So they are adding remove trap as a requirement, but leaving mining as well?

    Correction: They are adding the mining functionality into carto. That's nice. But I would still love to make my own tmaps!


    At least give us the ability to make our own tmaps and bury them. They mentioned a player-run quest system back at the 20th party. Let's throw an extra bone in if we're going to destroy every current thunter in the game.
     
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    Did anyone else notice that there is no #2 on the map of Britannia ?
    Two must really be a forgotten treasure
     
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    Did you read this post by Kyronix? High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures - Page 3

    and this one? High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures - Page 3

    and this one? High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures - Page 4

    and especially this one? High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures - Page 4

    and this one? High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures - Page 4
     
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    I'd like to know what happened to that too, no mention of it at all since then and it was supposed to be around the same time as EJ.
     
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    yes. I had already read them. And I stand by what I said, why add yet another skill to train (even if it is a trade off for mining) when you could let us use that 100 pts in defense/offense...
     
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    Just because remove trap has been a useless skill, doesnt mean it HAS to find a life. In fact, why not drop it from the list entirely? Along with a few others I can name.
     
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    Having read all that crap I still stand by not wanting to train up yet another useless skill either...

    I already use Magery with Telekinesis so now you are taking a skill and giving it a use and then at the same time taking a useful spell and making it useless... I fail to see the logic in any of that. EPIC FAIL IMO...

    To top it off you are saving me from having to have stupid mining which I spent hours and hours working up on my T-Hunter and now making me once again have to change my template to add yet another stupid skill to it which I'll have to work hours and hours to add... and this isn't something I can just "work around" with dropping a map in a locker... NO this will be something that I will essentially NEED to have. I say it's CRAP and it peeves me off that because some jerk thought it would be fun to have this skill and give it a use (probably some miserable SOB that already worked the stupid skill up to GM)..... now the rest of us have to suffer and work it up too... Don't want to grind out yet another skill ...... when are they going to change their minds again and tell me I need to grind out item ID as well to T-Hunt????? That's a useless skill too.... what's next Camping???
     
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    Some NOOB walks into the UO forums and says why are there so many useless skills? Then the devs decide to toss one into an already full template.

    Hopefully camping is not next.
     
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    :facepalm:

    RT is replacing mining. This isn't a secret.

    RT will be easier to train. It's also already part of the Mythic token.

    Some of you are addicted to complaining...
     
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    Easier to train than what? The non required skill it replaces?

    I hate skilling!
     
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    You'll cope. Life is about change. Adapt or die.

    Pretend you're training a Cu.
     
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    Reading through the UO.com thread, I don't see anything super objectionable. The need for mining, which always struck me as kind of weird, is going away, so those points will be freed up for remove trap. Kyronix mentioned making it more interactive like plague lords or other puzzles, and that could be neat. If the loot and content are actually interesting/worthwhile and permanent, I don't mind having to change a single skill on a character.
     
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    I have NEVER used MINING on my t-hunter, so adding Remove trap is just another waste of 100 skill points. Sorry, it should of just been adding the functionality of what mining gave to cartography (for those that had mining as a crutch) and leave it at that.

    When you think of what 100 skill points gives you on say magery or mysticism or weaving or necro etc etc a ton of useful spells, stuff like remove trap is at BEST a niche skill useful for a miniscule action. The fact you have points invested in something like magery with telekenensis and magic unlock etc should of been enough.

    This is just added grind and a waste of 100 points. Remove trap should of just been dumped rather than make it waste so much space on a template.

    I am so OVER these so called 'improvements' when they are NOT improvements just more grind.
     
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    It's been awhile since I read the main thread... but from what I recall, RT wouldn't be required unless you want all the special stuff. And frankly, if they're adding more special stuff to treasure maps, I think it's worth having it require another skill.

    People just don't like that they have to put in some effort and possibly won't be able to solo every single level of map. There are viable templates if you make a few sacrifices and don't expect to have the most powerfully offensive character possible.

    Templates like treasure hunters require some compromise. As I've said a few times recently... you can't eat your cake and have it, too. If you want power, you can't have the special stuff, and if you want the special stuff, you can't have all the power.
     
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    Don't care still trading one thing that's useless to make another thing useless... Still stupid IMO and unnecessary to make me grind out another ****ing skill that will be a ****ing grind and will add what a .0.000000000001% chance for me to get something special like everything else in the game ....... like Bait and that stupid fishing suit?!!!!?!?! NO ...... I think it's BULL.... and a crock of hooey... you can pat them on the back all you want and kiss their behinds but I think it stinks.... and I'm NOT happy about it.
     
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    :lol: I predicted those 2 replies above.

    Now we should have to also have detect hidden or you wont see the HIDDEN compartment. Yes, that idea is also in the thread. Then we need Taste ID so we can lick the traps to see if they are poisoned.

    Lots of T hunters never used mining so I doubt they will find this a welcome addition.

    And I brought up that if they make T hunting a group activity, will the reward go to all. Nope the finder will have to share he said.

    Also I thought he said carto replaces the mining bonus.
     
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    Another thing for the people complaining... it's not even on TC yet. All you're doing is whining about speculations. No one but the devs currently know exactly what they're planning and how they're going to revamp and implement any skills.
     
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    Better to express opinions now than when it is released. Whining about whiners is also whining.
     
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    I'm not whining. I'm merely pointing out that no one even knows for sure what the devs have planned. So why is everyone riling themselves up over something that may or may not even be implemented?
     
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    I too have never used mining on T-hunters, given I have multiple T-hunters across multiple shards all with the same template:

    120 Taming
    110 Lore
    90 Vet
    100 Mage
    100 Resist
    100 Carto
    100 Lockpick

    Now I'll be expected to sacrifice a skill (resist the very obvious choice) to train up Remove Trap on ALL my T-hunters. If I have to do it, I'll do it, but I won't be happy about it and the incentive better be worth it!

    Am I whining about it, not really, maybe a little. I'm just highlighting the fact that it is not just a simple trade off Mining > Remove Trap for everyone, and It is not just on one character for many too.
     
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    I read that too - I hope that's not the way it will work - could lead to all kinds of conflicts and would probably just rule out group t hunts for me
     
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    People who worked a template for solo high level maps will be screwed. Get a second account or go home. But that's those Devs we got.. No way I find another 100 skill points on the TH
     
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    My understanding is that the mining "bonus" will be incorporated by Cartography, NOT Remove Trap.

    Remove Trap, is my understanding, will be needed in order to reveal or, better even, prevent from being destroyed, a secret compartment with "extra" loot.

    That is, while it would be good to have Remove Trap, I seem to understand that it will not be mandatory if one does not care about salvaging the special, hidden compartment from being destroyed.

    But I could well be mistaken in my understanding.....
     
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    ".....so those points will be freed up for remove trap....."

    Well, to tell the story entirely, it should also be mentioned that MANY Treasure Hunting Templates ALREADY did not have Mining in them.... they would either use the better Maps of the Enhanced Client to locate the Chests or use other ways....

    HAVING to put on Remove Trap WILL mess up quite a number of Treasure Hunting Templates.....

    If at all, they should make it possible to have Remove Trap from ITEMS....
     
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    People aren't just whining, they are upset because a template that they worked on for a long time will have to be changed and for what reason? To make useless skills useful again? Those skills should either have been removed years ago or some actual thought should have gone into making them useful in their own right, not annoying t-hunters who were quite happy with their templates, no complaining here, even though they could be a bit crowded. What people asked for was a boost to loot, not a revamp, revamps in UO have not always gone well. People are entitled to give their opinion, it has to be done BEFORE it gets to test or it's pretty much too late. They'll probably just ignore us and do what they please anyhow, that's how it usually goes. If you are happy to accept ANY changes thrown at you, then good for you, just say so, don't bash other people who feel differently. But it's UO so you best be careful what you wish for.
     
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    i think its a great itea having remove trap on a t hunter..... sounds normal... and the fact i have gm remove trap sitting on a soulstone for many years now :D
     
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    I hope after this change they never ever ever 'improve' anything again. Seriously. They can't get it right.

    Remove Trap for that 'special loot'...right.

    In six months that special loot will be tossed just like the wooden steed and arctic death dealers lol.


    We asked for a loot bump...guess just doing that was too hard for them. They were worried about power creep? Shoulda been worried about that when they made 'the roof".
     
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    Unfortunately, the thread on the official forum discussing the changes has been locked since about March 9th, so if you weren't paying attention to the discussion earlier this year and giving feedback on that forum, it's pretty much too late now to try to give feedback.

    People also need to remember that although things may change and you won't need to have detect hidden skill on the character that wants to use the remove trap skill, you will need to have on the same character or a different one tinkering skill that needs to be trained up alongside the remove trap skill and you will have to keep trapping the training box(es) over and over again as you train up remove trap. You cannot train remove trap using boxes trapped by a GM tinker. The skill of the tinker trapping the boxes for the character training remove trap has to be 10 points or so higher than the remove trap skill for effective training.

    It is going to really be a bad thing for players if making this change amounts to nothing more than a cash grab by EA / Broadsword because players will have to buy more soulstones and mythic character tokens. So, if you're in some kind of secret focus group that has the ear of the dev team, you might want to be sure you're passing along the feedback from here because I think there will be a lot of unhappy players once people wake up to what is going to happen. I trained remove trap skill several times when factions were still around. Unfortunately for me, the characters that have it now are not on the same accounts as the characters that have trained cartography. I'm not looking forward to this change and it is really making me wonder why I'm still paying for UO. Most things that have been added over the last couple of years have really been aimed at the power players who have lots of time to play and/or lots of money to burn with third-party vendors. That's not the way I want to play UO so I may have to do some serious soul searching about UO here real soon and decide if I still want to keep my 7 accounts active.

    More information is needed from the dev team at this point before this all changes and it really does need to be presented to players in a way that doesn't make them feel like this is already in cement and they don't care how many customers they are going to lose.
     
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    Just learn to take 2 characters to do tmaps. One to dig it up , one to pick lock and remove traps

    So easy, duh .....
     
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    Can't do that when you're disgusted and heading for one account...not an option
     
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    I only have one paid account and I have no interest in using two characters when I deliberately made one template that was capable of doing any maps I chose to. Swapping stuff around on soulstones is pretty ridiculous too....some of us spent a lot of time making a dedicated t-hunter. I sometimes wish they would just leave stuff alone. :(
     
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    I'm there with ya. Just leave it alone, just standby to fix something if it quits working.
     
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