maybe the devs do still read stratics sometimes. I just have to say the re-do of the Sun Dial looks great. For all those saying the old, awkard looking one fit in with iso-something or other nonsense art, you can GO EAT BEANS To all those explaining the techy arty stuff, thanks it was an interesting discussion, i do appreciate it and learned a bit, but must say im much happier with the new look. Thankyou Broadsword for listening to the players and making the gift look good. Well done !