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Training a Vollem Held in a Crystal

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Pix, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Pix

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    Can these be trained and can a non-tamer, no animal lore or taming train them ?
     
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    I have seen a non tamer train them. But he lost 3 of them. They say they need 108 taming when you push the button.

    Try on TC first.
     
  3. Pix

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    already popped it ... can they be t/fered ?
     
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    Only in crystal form. Unless they changed that.
     
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    Someone said they can be transferred.
     
  6. Pix

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    u wouldnt have time to pop to TC wuld u .. on a tamer so I can test ?
     
  7. Poo

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    Trained or Advanced?
    i think your confusing people with what you want.
    Training them is skill based - wrestle, tact, anat, M/R, magic up to 100 (or cap).
    Advancement (or pet imbuing as i like to call it) is when you hit that blue button and level them up which increases their control slots but also increases what they require for taming/lore.

    a Vollem can train to GM in all its skills and be used by anyone.
    but once you hit that blue button and start to advance them the requirement starts to incrase for taming/lore.
     
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  8. Pix

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    I dont see a blue button .... so do I just take it out and smack stuff and that trains them ....

    Then I see a blue button and (train) advance it by adding power scrolls ?Can this be done with a non-tamer char ?
     
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    so i remembered i had a T Hunter on TC that had a vollem so i went and tested moving it up the advancement.

    Vollem
    2 slots 0 skill
    3 slot 6 skill -> 49
    4 slot 49 -> 70
    5 slot 70 -> 82
     
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    and looks like you can transfer them now just like normal pets.
     
  11. Pawain

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    I was on TC. If you dont see a blue button, it means you dont have enough skill to control it if pushed.

    The skills will increase.

    As it advances in slots, the taming requirement increases.
     
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    no, you will need to be human and use JOAT or get a ring and bracelet with Animal Lore on them so you can Lore the Vollem.
    once you lore it it brings up the pets stat sheet.
    on the bottom of the stat sheet there is a blue button under the "Begin Animal Training" that you must hit to advance it in levels.
     
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    he wasnt loreing them i think.
    i have 2 vollems on each of my Pure Bards and i just took one out and lored it with JOAT and the button is there.
     
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    You can vendor train lore or put on some jewels and hit the blue button. I was able to upgrade the resist and a 105 wrestling and control it with 0 taming and 0 lore just keep it at 30 taming/lore or below on the menu. I did a different one and got it to almost 600hp, Ai, and 110 wrestling 20hp regen and it takes 49/49 taming and lore 4slot.
     
  15. Pix

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    Just popped to TC with a friend ... that has some taming and lore ... got the blue button and was able to t/fer
     
  16. Pawain

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    I was surprised to see at 4 slots it only needed 34 taming at one point.

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    This is interesting. The guy I mentioned now has one at 3 slots with 120 discord, resists, etc and it only requires 22 taming.
     
  18. TheDrAJ

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    I also find it strange that you can not put one on a commodity vendor (but you can put a golem vollem on a vendor!)
     
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    I haven't seen anyone showing off these guys trained...
    I'm assuming they aren't any good?
     
  20. Slayvite

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    Where are everyone getting these Vollems in a crystal from????
    They were ment to be a special from SE launch, 1 per account if i remember correctly.

    This the latest duped item then since the devs basically told everyone to go nuts.....one shop is now selling 15 yes 15, +25 stats powerscrolls and numerous 120 skill scrolls......
     
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    Clean up points
     

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    *sighs* ....they cannot keep anything a rare collectable in this game....
     
  23. Poo

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    welcome to the party about a year late.
    the vollums have been available for a long time via clean up points.
    but i know what you mean.
     
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    au contraire mon frère, i have 2 on each of my bards and most of the mules.
    fantastic pets!
    they are pretty much the exact same as Nightmares.
    once trained they do a great deal of damage.
    when coupled with my bard and barding masteries they are pretty gnarly killing machines.
    i like to bring them out when im playing support with my bard.
    lets me help out with damage when the other tamers bring the tanks to sponge up the damage.

    on my mules i use to use them as protection when out in fel mining.
    dont need it so much anymore.
     
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  25. jeremy roe

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    I trained mine at 0 taming joat human. Im now curious what happens at slot 5 (82 taming) if i have 52 taming/lore and jewelry to get 82? When i die i just have to be safe?
     
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    what will happen is when you tell it to do stuff it wont listen and it will go wild and you will lose it.
    the taming requirement is for control.
    the closer the gap between your taming and what is required the higher the chance of a failed command.
    the more failed commands = pet losing loyalty and going wild.
     
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  27. jeremy roe

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    But these vollem always seem 100% loved hmm.

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  28. Poo

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    as long as your taming or your JOAT is above the min skill listed on the pet lore sheet your golden and they will love you.
    but once you start to raise them up in levels and their taming requirement starts to raise you get closer and closer to that threshold where they will start to not follow your orders.

    so taking one and leveling it up a bit and adding a couple things to it is fine.
    but getting greedy and getting too close to that threshold will eventually get ya bit.
     
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  29. jeremy roe

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    Have you tested...:
    Lore sheet says they need 50 to keep....

    A. Is that 50/50 taming / lore
    B. Taming only?

    My guess is it bumps the chance to control (taming and lore requirements?)

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    With my tamer(3x120)mage I trained my vollum which I transferred from a second account to my primary account. Its trained to 5 and I used it thru out the titan invasions, it is a great magic user and another pet I like using in place of my Cu. It fell in the category where it had cast off points (max weights). I did not use scrolls on it.
     
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  31. Poo

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    if you want we can go to test, i can hand you a leveled up vollem and you can bark some orders at it.
     
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    I am on chessy. Good idea I can have a guild buddy help. I did hover over the requirements and it said taming/lore.



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  33. Poo

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    would be better to test it on Test Center, that way you dont loose the vollum - or if and when you do it wont matter.
     
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  34. jeremy roe

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    Can you check for me your slot 4 or 5 vollem taming requirements? Thx

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  35. Poo

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    there are some numbers up above in post 9

     
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    Poo - when you "push" blue button on an unleveled 2 slot vollem does the skill required go to 49 immediately - just wondering where the 6 comes from.
     
  37. Poo

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    this was a month or so ago.... im assuming when i hit the button it went to 6 right away.
    i can copy a guy over and check again.
    i got nothing on the go right now, ill go look.
     
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    all right.
    i have a fully trained Vollem with GM in all skills.
    just normal with nothing done no buttons hit the requirements for him are 0.0

    hit the blue button still 0.0
    took him up to 100 and toggled the training, still 0.0
    i added 100 of the 1500 points to him and he went up a slot to 3 and now his requirements are 3.0 (added AI)
    i added 3 more of the 1500 and now he is 6.0 (dex to 150)
    i added 13 more of the 1500 and now he is 8.0 (stam to 150)
    added 54 more, now 10.0 (phy resist)
    added 128 more, now 13.0 (fire resist)
    added 128 more, now 15.0 (cold resist)
    added 111 more, now 18.0 (nox resist)
    added 147 more, now 20.0 (energy resist)

    so i now have 815 points left of the 1500 and my pet is at 20.0 requirements, im gonna stop here and go play with him and see if his loyalty drops any with just a normal human using JOAT with no taming or lore.
     
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  39. Poo

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    ok, went out and killed 30 things in new haven, barked orders all over, stop, stay, kill, follow, just kept spamming orders, no problems, pet is still WH.

    ill wait out combat flag and go add some more on and try again.
     
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    ohhh interesting!
    i just tried to bump my pet past 20 and it wouldn't let me, says i dont have the required skill to do that.
     
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    A guy on LS lost three of them until he quit taking them to 5 slot max usage of points.

    You can put discord on and have low taming/lore requirements.
     
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    added 30 taming no lore.
    added 150 more, now 25.0
    added 90 more, now 27.0
    added 60 more, now 30.0

    still have 515 of the 1500 left, going to play with pet.
     
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    they have magic, so putting disco on them would cost you 500 points and erase their magic.
     
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    how very interesting, i went in with just 30 taming and had no problems controlling the pet.
    i took taming to 0 and went out again with just JOAT..... had no problem controlling the pet!

    gonna go bump him up to 40 and try again
     
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    up'd my taming to 40
    added 150 more, now 32.0
    added 150 more, now 34.0
    added 150 more, now 37.0
    added last 65, now 39.0 skill required.

    that is all the points i had for this bump.
    interesting that the skill requirements are different then the last Vollem i did!

    gonna taking the taming back down to 0 and use JOAT to see what will happen.
     
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    2 orders down to rather happy
    2 more down to rather happy
    2 more down to rather happy
    2 more rather happy
    2 more happy
    2 more content
    2 more content
    2 more somewhat content
    2 more somewhat content
    2 more unhappy
    2 more rather unhappy
    2 more rather unhappy
    2 more extremely unhappy
    2 more extremely unhappy
    2 more confused
    2 more WILD!
     
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    He is a warrior. He has a free discord if he can control it. Discord target all stop all stay. If it works.
     
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    seems like a shame to loose that 100 points in magic, 100 in eval, and 100 in med.

    but to each their own.
     
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    Very good info Poo!

    Thanks!
     
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    When they came out as the original gift, they were supposed to be a follower that anybody could use to enhance their hunting abilities. They died too fast so most people opened one and did not use them again. We thought we were cool walking around with a herald and a Vollem.

    Maybe they can be of use now.