1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice
  3. Greetings Guest, Having Login Issues? Check this thread!
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Hail Guest!,
    Please take a moment to read this post reminding you all of the importance of Account Security.
    Dismiss Notice

Trial of "The Great Oceania Keep Scandal" 1/4/2002 8:30pm

Discussion in 'UO Oceania' started by Raptor(Oceania), Mar 26, 2002.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    90 minutes before anything AT ALL happened.
    So we threw snow at each other.

    An hour later Birima boring the jury literally TO DEATH, that some spontaneously exploded, by 11 pm I had made my decision as juror, and let it be known that my decision was that Aquarias had scammed his own guild for the sum of 10 million gold, and that my job was over.

    What a complete waste of time, you owe me 3 hours of my life back.
     
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <font color=blue>*tries to stifle a giggle after reading Shredmaster's last post*

    I'm not really up with all this law business but is the juror's decision final?
     
  3. I'm starting to like you Shredmaster please don't make it turn into love.

    *chuckles*

    You just proved to me you're a person that truely has a mind of your own and i respect that.

    :p

    PS - Oh and I must apologise for my behaviour at the trial last night, due to the presence of so many scammers I just had to let go (if you get my drift lol). And that's an apology to everyone there.

    Cheers
     
  4. LOL, Sure shredmaster, how much is your life worth anyway, And which Juror were you. At least I hope you werent the juror that decided by tossing a coin before the proceedings started. And anyway I am sure you had fun messing around, So just let me know what I owe you and we will fix that up.



    EDIT----
    Oh... I just checked log, Your Spicy McHaggis. The guy who decided by tossing a coin before the trial, and the guy who was kicked for repeatedly killing himself. The court fines you whatever that 3 hours of your life was worth plus another 1 mil for contempt of court. Please pay up.
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    how much is your life worth anyway?

    <hr></blockquote>

    <font color=blue>After the number of bodies Spicy left lying around the court room I think that question answers itself!!! [​IMG]
     
  6. AqUa

    AqUa Guest

    Although we never got to even start on our case in this trial, it was only us who produced any hard evidence on the matter.

    All they could produce was a few guild members who had been on a few dungoen crawls together. And they had the ordasity to call them character witnesses. What a joke. There final witness had only been on in UO 4 times in the last 2 months. How can he say he knew him. Please, give me a break.

    As far as the jury went, all they did was have snowball fights, kill themselves and make a general mockery of the proceedings. The judge did however do a great job considering the mucking around going on around him.

    For those who haven't seen the hard evidence yet, please go to the below address and make your own decision.
    http://vkr.ausgamers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=701&amp;forum=1&amp;17

    This is true evidence that Saidin did scam the keep. They are screenshots of the icq log still within the icq program. There is no way that they can be faked. This is the only true evidence that was produced last night. So how can anyone say that we were loosing.

    There evidence to drop the charges against Saidin was 2 people testified that Saidin told them he bought the keep for 18 million. So therefore what Saidin says to them is now evidence. HA! I could have produced dozens of witnesses with this same sought of line of thinking, but at the end of the day, this is not evidence. Heaps of people asked me what happened and I told them. Does that mean they are now evidence?? I don't think so. So again I go back to the only real evidence. The icq logs. The ones that we asked Saidin to produce from his side also. And did he? NO! Geez, I wonder why????

    A few days after the scam I realised that I was never going to get my keep back for the scammer Saidin. I have accepted and moved on from that. If all I do is make a few people aware of this guys scamming ways, then I have acheived my goal.

    I have written many emails to OSI since this scam. I just hope one of these emails gets into their thick skulls and they do something to protect the innocent in our game of UO.

    Thanks all and good night.

    Aqaurius (VKR Honour Knight).
     
  7. I didnt accuse anyone of anything thank you!

    You were there as jury why would I complain.
    And I called GM's the offenders as a whole not specific people, I just said, those guys next door.

    And that was certainly not you! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    All they could produce was a few guild members who had been on a few dungoen crawls together. And they had the ordasity to call them character witnesses. What a joke.

    <hr></blockquote>

    <font color=blue>And here I was going to commend you Aqua on your chivalry during the trial...

    After that comment directed at myself and my fellow guild members though, I am sad to see I am mistaken...

    *trudges off to the corner to sulk*

    <center> [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  9. *starts to lurk*
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    *starts to lurk*

    <hr></blockquote>

    <font color=blue>Teehee - how did you know what my next post was going to be???

    <center>*continues sulking about Aqua's derogatory comments* [​IMG]
     
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    yes i did say taht, but that was generally because by 10:00 it STILL had not started

    i was also informed that we had 1 warning, THEN 1 kicking, THEN 1 banning. I didn't recieve teh warning or kicking, only the banning.

    <blockquote><hr>

    One of those is my log, And I can speak for that one, I did not doctor any logs, Tell me what part is doctored and I will forward it onto you straight from ICQ itself.


    <hr></blockquote>

    that can be edited so easy, and how can we believe you??

    ooh and Kalias, you still owe me a game of chess /php-bin/shared/images/icons/biggrin.gif

    <blockquote><hr>

    This is true evidence that Saidin did scam the keep. They are screenshots of the icq log still within the icq program. There is no way that they can be faked. This is the only true evidence that was produced last night. So how can anyone say that we were loosing.

    <hr></blockquote>

    i hardly consider it true evidence, because its so easy to fake
    white it out, choose 2 text colours, and enter whatever text u want in textboxes. sure, it'd take a bit to do, but who knows what VKR would do to try and get a keep back?

    <blockquote><hr>

    I don't know why Tokor was banned, Or Bane, I thought Bane was ok but Tokor just kept mooning outside so he must have been banned for a good reason.

    <hr></blockquote>

    how do you know? go and find the person who banned, ask them why, then tell me, cause im damn well interrested in why

    AFAIAC i was making more trouble than him, yet he got banned before anyone else
     
  12. I got banned as I was leaving - however i was acting up *shrugs* why does it bother you guys so much you got banned? I came to check it out for fun because old friends icqed me about it. I knew VKR weren't ever gonna get the keep back and that's what I purely thought the trial was for? FUN??

    PS - Whoever booted me thanks - saved me 2 flights of stairs and opening 2 iron doors.
     
  13. Since your the self confessed expert on fakeing ICQ logs Bladron. Would you instruct Saidin how to do it so he can supply his ICQ log with Aqua. I can only assume he is not good at fakeing the logs because as yet his log is still unaccounted for.
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    when did i say i was good at it? i only said it wasn't at all hard, since its just coloured text on a white background

    i never siad yours was faked or not, i only said it doesn't make it 100% true
     
  15. AqUa

    AqUa Guest

    *continues sulking about Aqua's derogatory comments*

    __________________________________________________________________

    I did not mean anything personal against you Ciba Blue or anyone who gave evidence or Red Wolf. I was merely pointing out that I thought it was poor evidence in the trial.

    I actually found your testimony very funny to watch and I thought you played your part very well.

    I do apoligise if I offended you Ciba.

    Aquarius (VKR Honour Knight).
     
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Okles, before i say these couple of thingies, i will state that i do not mean offence to anyone mentioned

    So...

    1) Jury... i got turned down because Redwolf has an orc character! Yet Coma and Narc got on. And Ciba! No offence but isnt Ciba in TBD? The same guild as the defendant? Yet i wasnt allowed in because me and Redwolf have similar chars... i havent seen him ingame on that char in ages

    2) I told you Yew court raptor! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/frown.gif Before you say anything about crowd control, i`d like to raise the fact that people caused chaos because they couldnt see or hear anything... for some reason the Comm crystals in the listening room picked up what we said too, so we couldnt hear anything. I eventually moved out onto the farm with Tokor so i could at least see something

    3) I apologize for running my llama through the proceedings... im not sure where exactly it went, i was trying to lead it down the steps... from outside.
     
  17. FooStool

    FooStool Guest

    i just saw some screenie's of what some people did at the trial


    wish i was there, i would've been casting blade spirits too lol
     
  18. Malek OtR

    Malek OtR Guest

    For what its worth Coralle, Yew Court wouldnt have helped with any problems people had hearing. I've done a large event there with the same problems it seems you guys had, so you would have lost crowd control for no gain.

    My gut feeling is that this would end up this way. Public events are always going to attract some who want to disrupt.
     
  19. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    I'm starting to like you Shredmaster please don't make it turn into love.

    <hr></blockquote>

    If it's all the same to you, I'd rather you didn't.


    I'm known for ingame harrassment of the worst kind. I almost sold those runes to your house for 10k to coralle but I got greedy and went for 20k, alas I ended with 3 marked runes and no GP. Such is the path of greed I'm afraid.
     
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    At least Malek, there could have been seats on the roof to sit in so we could watch. Anyone being silly could be banned
     
  21. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    Kicked repeatedly?
    Man your memory is all messed up. I killed myself twice with explosions, and got a res on the roof both times. NOT ONCE WAS I KICKED FROM THE HOUSE.

    My final death was from poison, and on my way out AFTER DECLARING MY DESICION, I was banned while running down the last flight of stairs to exit the building.

    If this is the sort of memory you have it's surprising that you can remember your own name, let alone have the neuron power to be in pseudo charge of procedings last night.

    The whole thing was a farce to begin with. Yes I was Spicy Mchaggis, yes your jury was loaded with the biggest lot of miscreants imaginable, and no way was this ever going VKR's way, EVEN IF BIRIMA DIDNT BORE EVERYONE TO TEARS.

    I went with the coin toss remark to see if I would get a bite, and sure enough 2 of your planted jurors piped up with comdemning comments about the accused, out of the lot of then I wouldve been the most impartial.


    It's pretty obvious what happened, Aquaruis sold the keep for 18 mill, told his guild he got scammed for it for 8 mill, pocketed the 10mill for himself and cried foul here to bolster support for himself. It's a low thing to do, but at least there was some thought in it.
     
  22. FooStool

    FooStool Guest

    fool

    shoud have sold him a ratman rune instead

    you
    stupid
    fool

    i'm disapointed in you /php-bin/shared/images/icons/frown.gif
     
  23. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    Yeah I know, 10k for a ratmen death wouldve been sweet. I'm disappointed in me too.
     
  24. Majestic

    Majestic Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Come on, Have the courage to stand by your convictions. You have my permission to post the ICQ log.

    <hr></blockquote>

    All i posted was a statement saying what the main feeling of the whole event was, that is against VKR and heavy handed banning, and i also stated i could be wrong but thats what i got out of it.

    I never stated what happened, who was at direct fault i just posted what my vibe was after talking to many people, yet about 1 minute after i posted your icq'ing me then your attacking me in the next post, i now do have an opionion and that is:
    Raptor, GM of VKR is nothing but a power hungry person who will succeed in his goal or proving his point of view through any means, mainly intimidation and use of power.

    And here is the icq(from trillian) log.

    Session Start (ICQ - 16288766:Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:10:43 2002
    Raptor: who saif VKR was the cause of trouble

    Stroke Me Gently: just lots of peeps i talked to afterwards

    Stroke Me Gently: main thing i heard was they were just ban happy with people who disagreed with them

    Raptor: VKR sat and watched. I would advise you to change that post. If you think the prosecution was the cause then say it, but VKR did and said nothing the whole time

    Raptor: oh right, and who said that, Bladron and Jackson right.

    Raptor: I must say I thought you were smarter than to base your oppinions on a lot of people saying that VKR was ban happy

    Raptor: I am the only VKR member who had banning privs and everyone I banned was a trouble maker. I even lobbied to get the spectators to be allowed up to view the proceedings

    Raptor: So VKR had nothing to do with it.

    Raptor: nevermind, I will go respond to your post now

    Stroke Me Gently: hey man i couldnt care either way im just saying what i heard

    Raptor: so you only repeat what you hear and cant formulate your own opinions

    Stroke Me Gently: well when you are begenning to attack me for just stating whats being said i start to form them

    Raptor: ok, form away, should be interesting

    Stroke Me Gently: but whats point of what i think? not a lot so who cares?

    Session Close (Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:26:29 2002


    Session Start (ICQ - 16288766:Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:33:11 2002

    Raptor: Maybe you should have thought about who this information came from first. Probably the defence and the trouble makers. I sure didnt tell you. In fact I tell you VKR didnt do a thing and you dont believe me, yet you post that the casued problems based on others sayso. You tell me who you got info off honestly or is that secret.

    Stroke Me Gently: if you were the only one banning and vkr didnt do anything why would you care at all?

    Raptor: because you have just stated VKR was the cause of trouble. At least go change it to Raptor was the cause of trouble if you believe those people

    Raptor: At least post a reply saying you were informed that only Raptor had access to ban so therefore you believe it was me

    Stroke Me Gently: lol thats basically lying

    Raptor: Why, I informed you, and you were refering to bannings so whats not true

    Stroke Me Gently: what i believe....

    Stroke Me Gently: dont worry about it

    Session Close (Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:37:56 2002


    Session Start (ICQ - 16288766:Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:39:10 2002

    Raptor: but I thought you had no opinion so how can you believe.
    lol, your full of crap, I suggest we just end this and bot worry, like you have just stated dont worry about it

    Session Close (Raptor): Tue Apr 02 11:42:13 2002


    after that i did get 1 more msg but it came through icq when my comp loaded and crashed after i read the msg, it went something like
    "i knew you were that type of person" or something
     
  25. Lord Jackson

    Lord Jackson Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    As for yourself, I watched you several times lead tamed animals in, So it was actually me banning you, I wish you hadn't have, I actually thought you were ok before that.

    <hr></blockquote>

    I know I deserved to be banned. I was being a jerk because Tokor was banned when someone took a box, then banned again for stepping into the barrier. You know he wasnt trying to break in, if he had he would have tryied to run upstairs. Since he didn't did he deserve to be banned?

    I was ok before that, Raptor. I did respect what was goign on but I was outraged when we were not allowed in and at Tokor's banning. I hope you still think I'm "ok". I was damn immature but I had more fun than I would have if I was inside! People from the inside actually added me to the party and called me a hero... "Thanks for making this more exciting" and the such.

    Davin, you called the GM on us eh? GRRR I say, GRRR.
     
  26. No I coudln't call a GM on you. Not after how well u were roleplaying /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif At first it didnt bother me but then it got out of control so then I called GM, but Jan was the only one outsideand some other person.

    I saw yas gate off wen i was 2nd in que.
     
  27. Lord Jackson

    Lord Jackson Guest

    Aww thanks Davin. It is nice to see people can see I can roleplay well. I guess it comes from studying Literature at Yr 12.... I really do consider it harder than Physcis, Methods or Specialist maths.

    Oh well. Someone called a GM. We spammed him, asked him lame questions and annoyed him.

    I asked "yeah umm how come trammel is so crap"
    We asked "if firefielding from here is an exploit why isn't teleing on the brit bank roof"
    "where can we find a defination of exploiting?"
    "they are greifing us by banning us"

    The GM was genuinely annoyed. Emotion from a GM, much rarer than a visible GM.
     
  28. Guest

    Guest Guest

    and best of all, it was the evil corrupt one called Spada!

    GOOD WORK!
     
  29. Darkhawk|

    Darkhawk| Guest

    <font color=8B7500>The night sounds like it turned out far better than I expected.

    From what I've heard both sides acted like maniacs. That surprised me; I expected more than two sides to emerge. Actually, I expected it to never start, but that's beside the point.

    The whole thing appears to have been pointless, with everyone returning to the square-one "I'm right, you're wrong. Anyone who provides evidence to the contrary made it up" attitude.

    I am not agreeing with either side, I'm disagreeing with them. None the less, the night appears to have been a first step. It can't be said to be good or bad, since there isn't another Oceania event to compare it with. Hopefully the next time something like this come up there will be an improvement. I do suggest that the organisers be unbiased though, it means that nobody can claim that the proceedings are unfair or corrupt.

    Have I missed anything?</font color=8B7500>
     
  30. They mark literature as harsh as they mark physics I heard
    That's why I'm doing it in year 11 :))
     
  31. Oops shredmaster, you made a bit of a boo boo there. No where did I say you were kicked repeatedly, I said Killed yourself repeatedly, And yes 2 Explosions and then a poison death are repeatedly.

    And you were actually banned after your poison attempt but before you died. Whether you think you were about to leave or not I don't really care. Fact is, you poisoned yourself, I banned you. You were supposed to be a juror, not a jester.

    I dont know where you get the idea Aquarius was ripping VKR off. It's his keep, he owned it. VKR didn't get a single gold coin out of it. I dont care if he sells it for 1 mil. But of course once again you have misread something posted in another thread that clearly states it was not guild owned.



    So it appears I have rememberd all events correctly and you have misread 2 plainly presented facts incorrectly. The court still fines you 1 mil. Please pay.

    Oh and BTW, you were on jury duty, you must realize the selection was unbiased so I will disregard your plant statement. Maybe you were a little angry with being dismissed.
     
  32. Darkhawk|

    Darkhawk| Guest

    <font color=8B7500>Physics marking isn't harsh. What kind of madman would say physics marking is harsh? It can't be harsh anyway, the answers are either right or wrong. I suppose assignments could be marked harshly.

    Anyway, Physics marking is not harsh.

    Please don't think I'm being sarcastic, I'm not.</font color=8B7500>
     
  33. Nonononono what I meant is that Literature is Marked on the same standards as Physics. If physics plays important role in marks, then so does Literature
     
  34. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Oh and BTW, you were on jury duty, you must realize the selection was unbiased so I will disregard your plant statement. Maybe you were a little angry with being dismissed.

    <hr></blockquote>

    You had no idea who I was, and I tell a very convincing story when I want to. I can even RP a bit, so you and RW were easy to BS.

    The selection was not unbiased, one person who had an orc character was denied because RW had/has an orc once, yup thats unbiased allright. Mate you are full of yourself, just another RP polititian.

    I dismissed not only the whole trial but all the arguments presented by the wannabe LA Law *emoting* *nodding* silly people, excluding RW who was genuinely impressive. Being eloquant isn't generally one of his strongpoints, although lately he is getting better.

    Maybe then Aquarias was just sick of having you hang around his house, and decided to sell it? Damn I'd sell my place if you were hanging around it, just to be rid of you.



    *edit*

    I actually think you're a disgrace to VKR. Which is an otherwise fine guild so I'm led to believe.
    *notes he never sees Feenicks carry on like a 2 bob watch*
    Let feenicks be your role model and stop being such a tool.
     
  35. Majestic

    Majestic Guest

    Shred, i now offically luv u long time k.

    <blockquote><hr>

    Damn I'd sell my place if you were hanging around it, just to be rid of you.

    <hr></blockquote>


    that deserves a

    [​IMG]
     
  36. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    I actually found your testimony very funny to watch and I thought you played your part very well.

    I do apoligise if I offended you Ciba.

    <hr></blockquote>

    <font color=blue>Actually I have had a few people comment on how well I roleplay...
    F.Y.I. I was not RP'ing @ all, I was just being myself! [​IMG]

    Yes, yes, I know, I am an evil flirt! [​IMG]

    Oh and <font color=008B8B>Aqua</font color=008B8B>, apology accepted! I wasnt really offended anyway - I was just roleplaying! [​IMG]


    <blockquote><hr>

    Jury... i got turned down because Redwolf has an orc character! Yet Coma and Narc got on. And Ciba! No offence but isnt Ciba in TBD? The same guild as the defendant?

    <hr></blockquote>

    Never fear Coralle - even though for some bizzare reason everyone thought I was a juror (could have something to do with the fact that I took up residency in a juror's chair for half the evening whilst I waited for things to commence) I was actually a character witness - so I just used that opportunity to promote the team spirit that is <font color=000080>The Blue Dragon</font color=000080>!!! [​IMG]
     
  37. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    Can I join TBD? I'd like to be in a good scamming guild.

    I'm banned at the moment but thats not forever, maybe if I have some fine rolemodels for myself it will keep me out of trouble.
     
  38. Darkhawk|

    Darkhawk| Guest

    <font color=8B7500>Oh, right... Well ignore my post then.</font color=8B7500>
     
  39. Speaking of evil flirt.

    Where is my ring?! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif
     
  40. TestVictim

    TestVictim Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Actually I have had a few people comment on how well I roleplay...

    <hr></blockquote>

    Hrmmm
    Let me guess they were all from teenage boys who aren't in any rp guilds?
    I think that says something don't you?
     
  41. I'm in a RP guild. I take Roleplaying Very seriously.
    I spoke with Jackson for a while arguing all types of things in a roleplaying manner. Hell everytime i spoke something nrp i said OOC:


    He did a great job
     
  42. Shredmaster

    Shredmaster Guest

    While I'm not sticking up for Ciba's outrageous flirting during testimony, there's all sorts of roleplay mate, if that's the type of person she wishes to play while in a virtual world then so be it. You are correct though, that type of character does get the best responce from the teenage boys, or at least those RP'ing teenage boys.

    I forgot where I was going with this.....oh well.
     
  43. Lord Jackson

    Lord Jackson Guest

    I think he's talking about Ciba :p
     
  44. Guest

    Guest Guest

    i RP a 16 year old prat ^_^
     
  45. Red Wolf

    Red Wolf Guest

    Actually it was "I move for the charges to be dismissed", something I'm allowed to do as often as I feel like it.

    <blockquote><hr>

    I'm sure you would have been happy to win due to an unfair trial, but then again, that's not justice.

    <hr></blockquote>

    *sigh* Time and again you have caleld the trial unfair. HOW WAS IT UNFAIR? You picked the jurors. You picked the judge. You could have sent any one of them packing but you didn't. You set the rules. Why couldn't you just play it out by them? Because the jury was unruly? Well YOU PICKED THEM. Might it be because you were losing?

    <blockquote><hr>

    Red Wolf, you also stated I believe, 'I taped The Practice'.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Yeah it was a good episode too! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/biggrin.gif

    PS If VKR organises a further trial of this case, I will not take part. I will also recommend to my client that he not squander any more of his time by VOLUNTEERING to appear at a VKR at trial in an attempt to clear his name because the precedent has been set and it is obvious that VKR would rather call it off than see that happen. And since the original trial was completely fair it would also be double jeopardy for him to face trial a second time. And that's not happening on my watch.
     
  46. Lord Jackson

    Lord Jackson Guest

    OMG you all take so seriosuly :p
     
  47. Red Wolf

    Red Wolf Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    God forbid birma should build a case up.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Build a case from cross examining the defense's witnesses?! He only dug a deeper hole for himself! Some of the questions he was asking I should have been asking myself. He was winning it for us!

    <blockquote><hr>

    One Juror was kicked cause he thought it was more fun to kill himself over and over, Another was kicked because he thought he would take a much more active role than just listening and formulating his views based on what he heard. There was so much disruption I doubt anyone could actually concentrate, What's fair about it!. And how do you know we were losing when the jury hadn't come to a verdict yet. Did you have inside information from the jury.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Oh so you call that an UNFAIR TRIAL, where YOU GOT TO KICK THE JURORS WHICH YOU PICKED AT WILL. ROFL. And I knew you were losing because your attourney was a bambling fool! No offense.

    <blockquote><hr>

    One of those is my log, And I can speak for that one, I did not doctor any logs, Tell me what part is doctored and I will forward it onto you straight from ICQ itself.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Firstly, the defense was not briefed about any evidence in the form of icq logs. You cannot simply come up with key evidence halfway through the trial without informing the opposing counsel! Secondly, ICQ evidence is so easy to doctor it's laughable. I change my icq name to Saidin, tell you what you want to hear, then you simply save the log or take a few screenshots and Voila! icq evidence. The judge ruled on it, and declared it inadmissable.

    <blockquote><hr>

    There is that inside informations again. It sure isn't in any of my logs what they came up with. Are you sure the jury was impartial.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Actually I heard that from Caith ingame, right in front of you, AFTER THE TRIAL. I believe he spoke to some of the jurors and they expressed their opinion that Barima didn't have a case and that the defendant was not guilty.

    <blockquote><hr>

    So why do you attack VKR and Myself, You can't simply say it was a flop due to the amount of troublemakers. Instead you use it as an angle for vindicating your client whom you yourself looked like you doubted right towards the end.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Quiete simply because we were having a trial ON YOUR TERMS. It is my belief that we were winning. Then you called of the trial and claimed that it was unfair. How can it possibly be unfair if it was on your terms? Please point out the logic to me that having agreed completely to every juror, the judge, having complete control over the premises you can call the trial unfair. It was not unfair, it's simply poor sportsmanship. You felt you were losing, so you decided to cut your losses and call it off.

    PS At no point did I doubt my client. On the one hand we have a well respected member of the community who has been trading real estate for YEARS, who has friends who have trusted him and know him. His version of what happened is simple, it was a deal of 18 million for a keep. On the other hand we have a player who has somehow been trusted with the guild keep and whose version of the events is that he decided to swap this keep for a castle in fel WHICH SAIDIN DOES NOT POSSES and agreed to take 8 million as bond for a trammel keep! He would have us believe that he is a complete fool! Trading a keep for a non-existant castle and agreeing to trade it for a bond of 8 million!
     
  48. Red Wolf

    Red Wolf Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    one person who had an orc character was denied because RW had/has an orc once

    <hr></blockquote>

    I believe Birima turned down a total of 3 potentual jurors, Corralle had to go because I volunteered the information that we are guildmates on other characters. The other two were turned down because according to Birima they were possibly involved with looting/scamming. But hell, VKR claims the jury was baised even though they picked them. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/biggrin.gif

    <blockquote><hr>

    so you and RW were easy to BS

    <hr></blockquote>

    I did not turn down anyone (regardless of RP ability) in order to leave as many candidates as possible for Birima to choose from. So that they couldn't claim that the jury selection was unfair. But they did anyway.

    <blockquote><hr>

    excluding RW who was genuinely impressive. Being eloquant isn't generally one of his strongpoints, although lately he is getting better.


    <hr></blockquote>

    Thanks man, I guess if I impressed somebody then the 3+ hours weren't a COMPLETE waste. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/biggrin.gif
     
  49. CocoPops

    CocoPops Guest

    Maybe if they picked the jury the night before
    everyone would not have got bored and did silly things
    waiting for it to start.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.