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What are you worth - VERSION II

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Trebr Drab, Jan 25, 2010.


What are you worth - VERSION II

Poll closed Feb 1, 2010.
  1. I am a dirt poor potato farmer

    11 vote(s)
  2. 0-5 million

    12 vote(s)
  3. 5-15 million

    14 vote(s)
  4. 15-25 million

    6 vote(s)
  5. 25-50 million

    4 vote(s)
  6. 50-100 million

    7 vote(s)
  7. 100-250 million

    18 vote(s)
  8. 250-500 million

    31 vote(s)
  9. 500- 1 billion

    28 vote(s)
  10. 1 billion - 2 billion

    14 vote(s)
  11. 2 billion -5 billion

    19 vote(s)
  12. over 5 billion.

    23 vote(s)
  1. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    I think the economics of UO are fascinating. Outside of my oft complained power differentials, I really like the aspect that some players are so wealthy. It gives UO yet another "realism" in it's design. I don't care that *I* will never be that wealthy or can compete in it. I love the "worldliness" of it. And I congratulate those who succeed wildly in the game of wealth.

    Edit to add this explanation:
    I think you want to add your total worth, including all items. But you also want to be a bit conservative and not over value what you have. What would you be worth, if say, you had to liquidate everything and accept best offers....but not immediately.
  2. Mapper

    Mapper Crazed Zealot
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    I like this poll better. :) Good idea.
  3. ZidjiN

    ZidjiN Babbling Loonie
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    May 18, 2006
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    Its a tricky question to answer, or it is for a slow head like me at least.
    I think i have around 300mill in checks so i went with the 250-500 mill part.
    Thats what i have in checks. If i was to sell of all my items/houses etc it would skyrocket quite fast.

    Its kinda funny how easy it is to miss judge a person. I have a friend who usually is short on gold but hes only short on gold since he never sells anything. He still have several houndred of the ToT's, butloads of event items, more artifact then he can use etc etc.
  4. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    I think you want to add your total worth, including all items. But you also want to be a bit conservative and not over value what you have. What would you be worth, if say, you had to liquidate everything and accept best offers....but not immediately.
  5. Barry Gibb

    Barry Gibb Of Saintly Patience
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    May 24, 2008
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    I chose 0-5mil because there are no potatoes in UO.

    Stayin Alive,

  6. JamezC

    JamezC Journeyman
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    Jan 14, 2010
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    I think the potato farmers got it right actually, seeing as the potatoes will be rare and people will want to buy them.

    And jesus people have a lot of gold. Anyone want to show me how they do it?
    And how do you even hold that much gold?

    - James
  7. Version 2 suffers from the same problem as Version 1.

    Some pple are basing on liquidated cash on hand. Some are basing on invested property, items, suits, etc. Some are basing on emotional subjective "I'm priceless!" notions.

    You need a Version 3, which is more specific, eg. "How much liquidated cash do you currently have across all your accounts?"
  8. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    I edited it with an explanation. I hope it helps. But there's simply no perfect way to do this.
  9. DevilsOwn

    DevilsOwn Stratics Legend
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    haven't got a clue, let's open the bidding right now.... no minimum for this well worn player, do I hear an opening bid....... :lol:
  10. Cogniac

    Cogniac Grand Inquisitor
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    Nov 21, 2006
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    Went with "100-250 million." I have about 50m in cash, but I also have some seer and event rares, a good housing location, various artifacts and other "not-rare but still expensive" items, tons of resources, et cetera. So I'm probably in the 200-225m area.
  11. Scarst

    Scarst Lore Master
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    Sep 22, 2008
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    There are potatoes in UO. Go to a barkeep they sell bowls of them for two(maybe three I forget) gold each.
  12. JamezC

    JamezC Journeyman
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    Jan 14, 2010
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    Well then we've got nothing man!
  13. woody_cats

    woody_cats Guest

    lets say billion for devils own as from what i heard about her a one in a billion person and we need to make a proft
  14. Thanks for doing this.
    The data is interesting.
  15. popps

    popps Always Present
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    Feb 27, 2004
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    Noone has between 25 and 50 millions ?

    Now, that's odd............
  16. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Those seer and event items can be worth quiet alot if there is limited amount. Especially those seer items. Got a feeling you undervalued your wealth too much as as if you were around to receive the seer items then you definetely accumulated alot more items and resources over the years in those trunks.
  17. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Definetely. Goes with what I've always being saying there is so much gold in UO right now it makes no sence in selling things like ornys at 3mil or val hammers at 15mil. It's peanuts to most of the population.
  18. Now the next poll should be is how much do you spend on UO.

    10$ x 12 about 120 x 3 about 360 x 10 about 3600

    $3600 many expansions oh another $500

    $4100 over 10 years.

    Since Im estimating fair say $4000-$5000 over 10 years

    Now thats interesting. If I put the money in mutal funds aggressive ove 10 years probably be around $8000.

    Dang oh wait back to reality UO GOLD ah a lot.
  19. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Other than magery scroll the others are 9mil and lower range. So the scroll part is around 38 mil instead of 100mil. The sorcerer suit is around 30mil. Imbued items gonna get cheaper as time goes by unfortunetely. Just to help you evaluate a bit on the price compare to current market value as item values keep decreasing in rapid rates which is pretty bad.
  20. Easily liquidated is key. So you need to refactor to 12 billion.
  21. Cetric

    Cetric Grand Inquisitor
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    lol yea, if i went by his logic i think id be worth 500bil, but i picked 250-500, prolly closer to the 500 spot. I did this in a spreadsheet about a year ago and i was at like 412m. since then ive created a few scrolled out mages and and suits and such..so who knows.
  22. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    Do you really think the posters here are a general representation of the UO population?

    I don't. Not at all. I think the posters and readers here are those who are into UO to the extent that they keep up with the latest news and try to stay in step with all that happens in UO.

    The numbers are certainly far lower than UO's population (western, non-asian servers).

    That leaves a question on how much those others, who don't keep up daily, are worth. What they can accomplish. If they are on top of things like the extremely wealthy folks that post here. I don't think they are. I think they are much more "casual", and far less wealthy in UO terms.
  23. Heres the problem...

    I posted something about imbuing and crushed glass.

    Take 2 million gold.
    Find blue diamonds 1 million for 100. (I JUST BOUGHT SOME IN LUNA atlantic)
    You need 110 blacksmithing.
    Go farm glass swords.

    Make crushed glass for about 10-15k each.

    Sell it for 40k each.

    Now rinse and repeat.

    After turning 1 million into 4 million x 3 I stopped. The slow part is selling it. But it sells.

    My point. I think your right the Stratics population is a bit more wealthy. But getting wealth is pretty easy in UO if you hang here. And most people get sent here. I did.
  24. RedRum

    RedRum Sage
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    Being a Native North Idahoan, and growing up on a farm where we raised potatoes, I think the "Dirt Poor" reference is quite derogatory. We had enough money to buy what we needed to live a decent life and I still eat potatoes to this day.
    Now, those sheep farmers in Montana, don't let me get started on those guys...

    (*poke poke* all in good fun)
  25. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    HeH sadly UO deemed the value less these days. Really sucks but thats the problem when inflation comes along and for some reason items do the reverse and sell cheaper than higher to keep up the inflation rate. UO is such bubble.. It just takes a pin.
  26. HD2300

    HD2300 Certifiable
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    The posters here are powergamers. Totally different from the majority who are casual players.

    What is 2 billion in UO anyway? $1,000 IRL. The average western gamer could buy 2 billion in UO gold for a weeks work.

    Casual players dont want to grind grind grind. They want entertainment. Who is stupid enough to kill the same monster over and over every day for 3 hours for a week, when they could just spend 1/2 hour instead working IRL and use that money to buy gold, then the other 20.5 hours having fun in UO. That is why EA should sell gold, because it is going to be generated by scriptors and players anyway, providing they also put in good gold sinks into the system.
  27. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    I was gonna say unless a casual game is classified as a player who plays 1 month close there account for a year and plays another month next year then there would be no reason why they couldn't make billions. It only takes 1 hour a week to collect items and stock vender for profit. Monster killing is generating money from the system which is the slowest way to make money. When people want to make alot of fast money they need to take it from the more wealthy.
  28. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    When you read all these comments, and think about it, this is what I've been saying for a long time is a problem.

    It's not the wealth. It's the power extremes.
    -I'm all for powergamers being the wealthiest people in UO.
    -I'm all for powergamers, or other if they can find a way, to have a little advantage in power.
    -I'm all for powergamers (lets substitute "elites" here) having things other don't.

    Why is this important? Lets look at the casual players that some of us believe outnumber the "elites" considerable.
    They play less hours. But also, their play style is more in tuned with having fun, not working to build wealth or extreme power. They explore, they dungeon romp, they may roleplay a little, they may go to player run events...whatever. But they can't keep up without turning into a powergamer, and that's just not going to happen.

    How does this affect UO?
    Well, do these players have the ability to participate in factions?
    Do they have fun at major events when they can't get looting rights?
    Do they play along with the "elites"?
    Do they buy much? Do they sell much?

    All of this kind of stuff used to be much more active. Anyone who wasn't a newbie could and did participate. But since AoS came and brought power extreme differentials, it all started to die off to the point that it's only the "elites" who participate...generally speaking.

    I hope some of you are seeing what I mean. Because UO won't change unless the vast majority want it to. Developers tend to want to give everyone a little bit of what they want. But in this, there's no middle ground. UO is a sandbox, and as such depends on the social aspects, and interaction between it's players. We need to get back to that.
  29. Pawain

    Pawain Stratics Legend
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    I log in everyday, some days just to water my plants that are on the floor of my home.

    I started in 1997 and took a 3 yr break. I pick up every gold coin I see, I now pick up every ring and item , < 3 weight for unraveling.

    I cant stand grinding. I have every crafter, only my miner is above 85. I can not do the same thing for a long period of time. My tamer is at 90.8. (113.8 with jewelry)

    I have vendors but flowers have not sold for much until recently.

    I picked 25 to 50 mil range.

    I play for fun not wealth.
  30. Trebr Drab

    Trebr Drab Guest

    err, I should have said how to get back to "that". (2 posts back)

    By reducing the effects of items/powers/templates. That's first and foremost.
    That allows more casual players to take more time to build up their gear, and still be somewhat competitive. I don't think this will reduce the value of gear. Small bonuses in a game world of small bonuses are still valuable and desirable.
    They just aren't absolute needs.
    In turn, this allows less endowed gear to still have value, allowing less endowed players to be able to participate more, sell more, and open UO up to more activity.
  31. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Thats a different issue though. I can make millions-billions without having even 1 skill in my template. Making money is a market type thing. You buy from the rich and sell to the rich then you become rich as easy as pie.
    I think they making things way too easy. Casual gamers are casual gamers cause that is what they want to be. If they want to become powergamers they can do that to. If they learn to work smarter and not harder they will accomplish more. If non of that can help them and they don't have the knowledge and wisdom or interest then I don't know what to tell them. Accept there fate and have fun, leave the gold making to those who have interest in it.
  32. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Exactly. I believe the reason where better in doing this in UO than real life is the old mantra it takes money to make money. If we were rich in real life making even more money would beas easy. In UO the first million is always the hardest. then comes the first 5mil then the first 10mil then first 50 mil then first 100mil and so on. As you reach each tier you wonder to your self what took you so long to make the previous tier.
    Maybe I should try this make a dollar into 10 dollars and continue from there in real life.
  33. Gellor

    Gellor Guest

    I gave a rough answer of 500M to 1B... but I've never really taken an inventory and if I did, I'd bet I'd be over the 1B range. Too much "unthrown" away stuff:lol:
  34. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
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    10 million... in Siege gold. *nods*
  35. Flutter

    Flutter Always Present
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    May 12, 2004
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    I can't answer Idk what my luna house is worth.
  36. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    I can tell you that most people don't accept gold for them so maybe a convertion would be 1-2 billion?
  37. red sky

    red sky Sage
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    Yeah, this is true to an extent. It really depends on if you are here to play the game or just to have fun. People who play the game actually try to play it as if they are apart of the world itself. People who buy their way through it are just there to get the pixel high. I'd rather just use UO as a hobby to escape from RL every now and then and use my RL money to buy RL stuff. That's just me though.
  38. Guido_LS

    Guido_LS Seasoned Veteran
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    I picked 15 to 25 million range, although that's highly subjective. 2 active accounts, one with a 13x17 house, the other with an 18x18 set-up, although neither is probably highly desirable, as I have had them both for less than a month, and found at least 4 other 18x18 spots and 2 small keep spots since.

    Roughly 2.5 million in gold (fluctuates from buying gems for training imbuing and then hunting the gold again). The real value comes in commodities - anywhere from 50k to 500k of each type of ore (excepting valorite, which I still haven't found a vein to mine yet...), 200-250k of each leather type.. anywhere from a couple dozen to 150 of the ML stuff (blue diamonds, white pearls, tree sheddings, etc), 75-80 PoF's... all subjective to market fluctuations.

    I lost at least 10-15 times that much when I left the game 2 years ago. I figure if I play it right, I can triple my current worth in the next 45 days, and if so desired, could continue that trend, just by playing the commodities market. PoF never goes out of fashion, and as much as I hate it at times, I can play the BoD game as well as anyone. It's not hard to make gold. It's just a matter of knowing which game to play at which time.
  39. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Actually it's a game play we enjoy. everyone has there endgame. Rare collectors collect rares,pvp want to be the best. PvM want to kill every creature,merchant-crafters want to aquire the most gold. Everyone has fun in there own way. Sure the servers close down tom and nothing would mean anything. But we all do it cause thats how we have fun.
  40. LadyNico

    LadyNico Always Present
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    Dirt poor spud farmer, me. Asset rich, gold poor.

    Despite 7 legendary tamers of varying templates, I simply haven't the interest or endurance required for gold farming. I prefer actively taming critters. The more difficult and dangerous a critter is, the more I enjoy taming it.

    If I have need of some particular item or piece of armour or kit, then I actually enjoy working towards it.
  41. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    i think you underestimating the value. the 18x18 anywhere is 18mil and up. The resources are good price. You are around average in the 100mil range so far. Not exact but 15-25 is way underestimate so far.
  42. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    Your animals might put you in the 10's of million range if you are that passionate in taming even more.
  43. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Once I had over 5 mil on Siege, I felt weird. I would still sell and make gold, and constantly buy SS tokens. I liked being poor. Being poor meant I had something to work for, the next big score (be it IDOC or steal). Being poor in UO is what drove me. I don't know how some people can stay happy sitting on billions (on prodo shards) while newbies struggle.
  44. UOKaiser

    UOKaiser Guest

    5mil on siege = 50mil on prod. take the 50 mil and make it into 100mil-make 100mil into 200mil .etc..
    Newbies are poor because you said it there newbies or they just not interest in gold,venders,etc.
    It feels good to have alot of gold. You can buy everything that you normaly can't have.
    But here is the important part. All those billioners had only 1k starting gold once. they work there way up,came into something,inherited the gold from idoc or a departing player etc.. Those newbies became experience players that enjoy the making of gold in UO as much as other aspects of UO. they try to guide players they know into the same way but some players are just not interested or don't want to put in any work and just want it handed to them.
    I remmeber once i gave a friend 50mil gold to help him along. Guess what, he spent it all the same week. He didn't appreciate earning it and dind't know how to earn more or wasn't interested. I decided it's better to teach a player over a period of time instead of just handling them the gold.
  45. Malimus

    Malimus Guest

    2 accounts, A keep full of resources, Castle full of rares, artifacts, high end gear, event items and about 65m in gold atm. My gold doesn't last long as i am always using it to add something to the collection. Been playing on and off since 97. Restarted from nothing about 3 times. Chose 5billion+ because my uo worth is at the least 5

    I play on pacific and have never transfered and have no really built chars on any other servers but Pac. I made all my gold in game on Pacific through crafting, buying items at low price and selling high as well as a lot of farming of resources/gold/anything worth selling on a luna vendor. Only 3rd party progs i use are Good old UOassist and UOAM and they are very handy to have. Although UOAM has kinda out of date it still works as long as i don't update it. :)

    Its pretty easy to become rich now though. The EM events are like a lotto with 50-100m + payout if ya manage to get a item and imbuing ingredients sell like mad for insane prices if ya know what to sell. Not to mention imbuing custom suit/items for people is very profitable as well.
  46. Jhym

    Jhym Guest

    Well, I do have things that probably are valuable, but I don't know their general worth.

    For instance, various tokens from all the expansions and a few ancient items like my valentine's bags from the first year we got them (with the candy hearts.)

    But other things, like some whispering roses are subjective, as I knew the persons and so they are worth far more to me than they would be to most others.

    There are also keepsakes from friends and events, but those again are all subjective value.

    I said 0-5, but with some of the tokens and items, if I counted them, they'd probably be more in the mid 20's or higher. However, I don't know their full value.

  47. Silverbird

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    It is really hard to estimate an overall total value of someones UO holdings.
    I my special case, most of my characters value comes from things that I dont use/couldnt yet to decide on. Like 7 vet rewards (4-5years and 3-3years if my memory serves me well) or an unused pre-patch golem (100 poison resist= or, or, or. What about Soulstones? Actually you can get good prices on tokens but claimed ones are useless for anyone else (and therefore without value).
    I guess actually the question should not be, 'How many gold would get, if you would sell everything?' but morelike 'How many gold would you need to spent, to replace/build a copy of your uo-belongings?'
    I gave an estimate value of 25-50 mills but when I look at those items, it always feel like beeing nobody among all those super-riches. On the other hand ... with 5 full soulstones on my acc(s) and seven more to pick up from vet rewards, I would need around 12* 12-14 mills only to replace them, if I should loose them. (And if I could find enough of them for sale.)

    I really dont know, why I am not uber rich ... Maybe becourse I am too lazy to follow those simple patterns to make money. Or maybe course I guess it would feel more as working a game instead of playing it. :mf_prop:
    And if someone wonders, why I have highlighted something of that quote .... You can buy glass swords from the blacksmith npcs of Ter-Mur. I always wonder, why some ppl are not fully consequent, when they build up such a pattern. Maybe some of you should work on learning the games principles instead of breaking their minds about getting rich online. :lol:
  48. Evlar

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    (Note: Still no change from the the first poll)
  49. hawkeye_pike

    hawkeye_pike Babbling Loonie
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    So 70% of the Stratics users have more than 50 million gold.

    That shows pretty clearly what is wrong with this game. Making that much gold cannot be done by "regular" gameplay. In order to make so much gold, your gameplay has to be item centered. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with playing that way. However, if the majority of players spends most of their time to increase wealth and items instead of actually playing the game, it says a lot about the game mechanics.

    I mean, who would really bother going through this when it was more exciting to go on adventures?
  50. Farsight

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    It's a matter of perspective.

    For someone who knows the ins and outs of PvM, crafting, etc and plays for more than a couple hours a week, it's hard NOT to have 50 million in the course of several years.

    And for some, being a merchant is an adventure in itself. I don't understand it, but I like a game where they can play right next to me and we both have fun.