Wenchy's recent comments in the "why 120" thread made me want to start a discussion. So instead of hijacking that thread further I have started a new one. Also this is not a personal attack at any one person but more of a observation about certain attitudes. I guess what I really don't understand is this view that some people have that "real skill" is somehow better than "modified skill". There is no actual benefit to "real skill" but I have heard this repeatedly. There is almost a "snobbery" effect by players with real skill. It feels that they somehow believe they are more deserving, or better because they don't stoop to using jewelry. Now from my view point I think a greater achievement is packing every possible skill point I can onto a template. Personally I am not happy until I can cram at least 800 skill points on a 720pt template. I want to make my character as skilled and diverse as possible. The designers and developers obviously want us to have and use skill gain Jewelry. It isn't something that was accident stumbled upon. This is no glitch or unattended effect. This attitude isn't restricted to tamers by any means, but it seems that I see and read it most often in forums relating to taming and barding skills. Is it because those two "trades" ( Bards and Tamers) tend to attract the same style of players? What is it about skill jewelry that upsets some people? I understand if someone doesn't want to use it they shouldn't be forced or expected to. But in the same light if someone does use it they shouldn't be look down on, and they certainly shouldn't be disadvantaged in any way because of it. There are very few skills in UO that doesn't have skill gain Jewelry. Most or all of those don't have Power scrolls. Actually if I really looked back I am pretty sure skill gain Jewelry came out just after Power scrolls. Players with tight templates needed some way to add points to their templates. I can fully understand if a person chooses to have part or all of their template/character/account based entirely on true skills, but I hardly think this makes you a better player. Let face it, unless you do this will all of your skills on all of your templates you are also being a hypocrite on some levels. It is wrong to wear a +12taming/ +11 lore ring as part of your template....but it is ok to carry a +15 magery tomb of knowledge...or some other skill gain item? Maybe I could see it if a player used absolutely no skill gain items period on their account. Not for skill training...not to tweak their template. If someone did that with 7 characters, each set to 6x120, then perhaps it makes sense to me. Then it is an achievement. But otherwise I think it is just silliness that does little to build community. Now lets try to keep this relatively civil....if you feel the need to post in anger, then I ask you to walk away and take a moment. This is an attempt to have an intellectual discussion about attitudes, so please check your respective attitude at the door.