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Would you support a Shard Revert to Bann Dupers?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by love2winalot, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. love2winalot

    love2winalot Guest

    Hail: Since most dupers have several accounts, and monitor the boards and such, and we have all seen them packing their stuff up to go into hiding for a bit, and return on another account later, would you support a shard revert so EA could stop that from happening.?

    ie. Go back befor, "insert duper name here", could load all his stuff up on packies? I would.
  2. Ender

    Ender Crazed Zealot
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    Jun 12, 2008
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    I haven't logged in for a week. Do it.
  3. rajadeah

    rajadeah Guest

    Heck lets just go back to day one. Just wipe all the shards clean and call the last 11 years a test run and start all over.

    And lets get it right this time people!!!!
  4. Rosalinda

    Rosalinda Journeyman
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    May 12, 2008
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  5. -Steve-

    -Steve- Visitor
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    Mar 28, 2005
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    The best idea is if there is a dupe out there, that the dev members fix these dupes and open a new shard without character transfers. Sorta like a siege but with our current UO. You'd either move there start fresh, earn everything again or sit on your shard crying about dupers then when action is taken cry about people getting banned. I agree, if you own a dupe item I mean like 2 items then more then likely you bought them without knowing. Now if someone has over 30+ items my 10 yr old nephew could figure this one out. So fix your problems EA and make a new fresh clean server without the possibility of EVER trashing there. Tee Hee
  6. Sarphus

    Sarphus Guest


    If the duped stuff can be stored on pack horses, the data is somewhere on EA servers.

    Instead of hurting honest players with a revert, the devs should just data mine inactive accounts and remove all the duped stuff.

    It seems to me that duping is the kind of problem that should be tracked and resolved in a database.
  7. Erekose

    Erekose Seasoned Veteran
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    May 23, 2008
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    I agree Sarphus. There's no reason to do a revert which would hurt far more honest players than the few asshats who cheat and dupe. Besides, they'd have to go back MONTHS in order to get rid of all the duped crap.

    Tell me...how do brokers have a constant supply of Val hammers, on every shard? Answer: they either dupe or deal with dupers and have for a long time.
  8. Yalp

    Yalp Guest


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  9. Vexxed

    Vexxed Certifiable
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    May 14, 2008
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    No.. bc they would have to go back a month or longer to catch this before it was getting really bad.

    If I had to guess I would say that 95% of the Mage Armor Samurai armor out there right now was crafted with Duped Val Runics & I'd almost support a simple wipe of all of it. That would return some sense of normalcy to the game, but would still leave the dupers holding the gold all the normal players paid to get those cheap runics... So it would only be a tempting idea IF I had any confidence that EA. was going to get those dupers etc... But I don't.... so it's just wishful thinking. (I agree that they will get some people, but I suspect just as many or more will slip through the cracks..)

    On a side note..... I'd LOVE to see a post from an EA. rep that listed something like..

    2,345 Valorite / Verite Hammers removed from Game
    197,232,232,234 Gold Removed
    37 Accounts Banned for Duping / Associating with

    Something like that would make me smile.
  10. Zodiac19

    Zodiac19 Guest

    Absolutely not, I do way too much to see a shard revert. By this time the powers that be should be able to tell what items are dupes and just act accordingly without screwing with us that do not cheat............
  11. Lady_Mina

    Lady_Mina Guest

    I agree with Sarphus.

    Only EA can tell wich items are 'real' and wich ones are dupes.
  12. Uriah Heep

    Uriah Heep Grand Poobah
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    May 26, 2008
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    No use to revert the prodo shards. They can use the backup they would use to revert and load it up on an internal server, see who ahs what, and go get em from there.
    Leaving the rest of us in peace!
  13. Eslake

    Eslake Guest

    As Uriah points out, they don't have to revert to find out what was going on.

    I've been finding the late-to-the-plate dupers who are still trying to load their dupes onto packies this morning, and laughing at them.

    I love pointing out to them that they can't actually hide anything, because EA/M has the backups to look at that show exactly what was where for days or even weeks back.

    One of them after realizing what I was telling him, just started spamming the same curse word over and over, then went silent and disappeared after a minute. I was thinking he alt-F4'd but since his packy vanished too and had items on it, I can't help but laugh even harder that I may have witnessed his banning.

    It's All Too funny. :p
  14. Coranthe

    Coranthe Guest

    Nope. No reverts needed. The guilty got charged and executed. Roll out the next guillotine.
  15. classical

    classical Guest

    Plain and simple you pompus individual not all the accounts banned/termanated were guilty of what they are accused of doing if osi/uo can not stop the dupe product's from being made/sold on vendor within uo and many of us run more than 1 vendor house as well you have a chance of purchasing a dupe item

    (but the big but here is to hold us responseable for something they themself cant stop or remove from this game does'nt hold the water it's been in game for over 10year's can you honestly sit there and say that they have this problem under control no you can't because they dont .

    they'll lay low n osi will let them right back in why because they dont check the card number's being used to open the account's with maybe a list of name's and the visa mastercharge american express number should be recorded then matched with the account's banned maybe just maybe then they might get a handle on it

    3 days from now those same people will be right back at it why because they dont check why it time consuming and that where it start's at quite frankly
  16. drinkbeerallday

    drinkbeerallday Visitor

    Jun 4, 2008
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    Honestly I don't give a crap if they ban anyone. It would be a huge waste of time because they will all be back and some innocents who wouldn't normally dupe would be unfairly punished. They should just fix the problem, revert the shards and be done with it.

    Move on people. Just remember the Dev team feels guilt and they hate this. Let's try to fix it and move on. Don't place blame.
  17. Desperado_SE

    Desperado_SE Journeyman
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    May 12, 2004
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    You do know that even with credit card number bannings, anyone caught cheating can be back in game the same day (next day if they're kind of slow in RL) just by using pre-paid credit cards available at most major retailers (like Walmart), right?
  18. Belmarduk

    Belmarduk Guest

    My accounts been inactive for about 2 weeks now - do it
  19. Belmarduk

    Belmarduk Guest

    All for it - And best start fresh with a brandnew client - and oh - ideally a different company than EA - ANY other company :next:
  20. Crysta

    Crysta Babbling Loonie
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    May 12, 2008
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    Did you ever consider that maybe they've been watching the people who have the stuff pack it up and move it? That maybe.. just maybe.. they followed them home to their "main" accounts while they were doing it (seeing as it seems trains of packies were the preferred method)? Is that kind of planning not even a possibility here? A revert might not be necessary at all.. they might have gotten more than we could even expect.

    In fact, i'd go so far as to say that's exactly what happened. Notice all the people crying about being "unfairly banned"? The ones who people have all seen as upstanding citizens or such.. those who people could never see as being cheaters? Ever consider that is because they might just have been like that on their main account as a fallback in case the others got axed? That they use those personas just in case something like this would happen, knowing that people would stand up to support them who know nothing of the reality? The action we've seen is, most likely, the near complete eradication of their "public faces".. something that can't be recovered easily, if at all. It feels like the kind of massive blow the game has needed to cheaters to me.. and it would explain why it all took so damn long nicely, too.

    I bet damn well near every one of the people that's complaining was followed back to their "main account" by GMs like a bunch of cattle led to the slaughter. Is it possible one or two were banned unjustly? Sure. Is it probable that most of them are just hinging their bets on people being oblivious "good guys" and sticking up for them? HELL yes. These people have been around for years and know damn well how to manipulate public image and thought, else they wouldn't even be trying to pretend they're innocent.

    And so long as one idiot believes them even for a second, they've won.
  21. Halister Marner

    Halister Marner Lore Master
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    Oct 2, 2006
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    The thing that perplexes me, is that I still see the vendors and vendor houses of the worst dupers in this whole mess. I seriously hope they aren't done with the bans yet, because the main bad guys still seem to be around.
  22. Beldon

    Beldon Guest

    I think that is exactly what happened. They have been hinting that they were tracking them for some time now.
  23. Nestorius

    Nestorius Guest

    Not fixing duping is stupid. No matter the excuse, it is very ******** that people can do this. Reverting a shard because the programmers have created this mess is even dumber. Who dupes and who does duping affect? Pvp'ers and the merchants who sell to them on production shards. That's all. No one else cares enough about their in-game crap go through the trouble of trying to dupe something.
  24. Doomsday Dragon

    Doomsday Dragon Visitor

    Jun 11, 2008
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    I would support a revert if the reason was good in this case yeah I would support it. But when EA handed out free DECORATION items that are completely worthless and people duped them we got a revert that was something I would have never supported in a million years.

    They did a revert once because of a major dupe [HAX] had going on fine we needed that it was necessary.

    But rolling back the shard a whole day over some decoration items everyone got for free and not reverting it after dozens of players were hacked? Not reverting it over a dupe introducing hundreds possibly thousands of the best runic hammers in the game?

    There is no structure to any of their methods and that is unacceptable. If they revert the shard for one dupe they need to revert it for every dupe. There needs to be a policy set and upheld concerning these things and it is not being done.
  25. J0KING

    J0KING Guest

    Nope... no... not in the least...

    The concept is a drastic means with little to no resolve... think about it... all of the players lose everything, including players who have done nothing wrong... eventually everyone will get everything again... including the dupers, who will return to business as usual... by doing this you are not stopping or punishing dupers, only slowing them down a bit...

    I have always found wisdom in the words, it is better to let 100 guilty men go free then have one innocent man suffer... if you revert a shard you are pretty much punishing everyone whether they are guilty or innocent... so far I am happy with how the devs have been handling this situation...